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  1. Huncamunca

    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    There are various law books on Google Books that talk about an 1868 Equity case, Hewitt v. Kaye, involving a cheque for £600 that Elizabeth Harrison had given to one of the trustees of St John's Hospice (another charity she had founded) when on her deathbed. She had died before the cheque was presented for payment. 'The trustees of St. John's Hospice were the Plaintiffs, and the executors and the trustees of St. Scholastica's Retreat were the Defendants'. The case was to determine whether the trustees of the Hospice should be entitled to receive the £600 (it was ruled that they weren't).

    For one example of the report (they are all very similar) see
    books.google.co.uk/books?id=-Qo8AQAAMAAJ&pg=PA198
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Thanks Huncamunca :)

    Obviously I've not read the case yet but it doesn't seem right to me, not to honour a woman's dying wish:(

    So, are you telling me that I have another institution to research?;) Once I am back on researching St Scholastica's as a main project, and have finished the War Memorial obviously ...o_O
     
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    AnnB Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!

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    Yet another 'skill' we acquire - juggling........o_O

    Ann
     
  4. Huncamunca

    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    I can't set a good example when it comes to sticking to the original project. I have got sidetracked from my sidetracks and have now forgotten where I was going in the first place.
     
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    AnnB Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!

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    You and me both Jane - I don't even know whose family I'm chasing half the time, I go off on so many tangents.......:oops:

    Ann
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Last question:

    Is anyone able to find Robert and Charlotte in 1841?

    I managed to locate Sussex Place and am satisfied that they are not there, searches haven't thrown up anything ... of course, they may be on their holidays in the Alps or some fashionable place ...
     
  7. MollyMay

    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Try HO107/2061/678-15/23
    Avenue Road, St Marylebone
    Robert Harrison age 45 born in county (Middlesex) occupation Merchant
    Charlotte Harrison age 30 born 'I' (Ireland?)
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Perfect :)

    I tried and failed to find Avenue Road in the enumeration district descriptions and then it got to the stage where I'd forgotten which ones I'd tried, and then I just got tired

    I shall look at it a little later but I am 100% certain tis them

    Thank you
     
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    AnnB Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!

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    Well done MollyMay - I tried and tried and failed miserably :(

    Ann
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    she is marvellous isn't she .. always finding things where I have failed :)

    my only problem is that I am still failing to find the blasted census on Ancestry, what am I doing wrong?

    I know I am ill but I am pathetically close to weeping right now :(
     
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    Oh don't despair, muggy, it's not you. ():-)

    A rogue 2061 has sneaked into that census reference. It should be HO 107/678, book 13, folio 15, p.23.

    Their surname is transcribed as HAMSON on Ancestry. If it's easier to find by browsing, try Middlesex > St Marylebone > St John > District 18 > image 13 of 15.
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    you are most kind Huncamunca :) (if you only knew how many things I have failed at today o_Oo_O .. but I will blame the antibiotics rather than myself)

    I will try again, thank you :)
     
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    Sorry for misleading you Muggy, I am still trying to get used to the 'new' FMP and the census refs are no longer given with the census originals so you have to get them off of their transcription - and I made a mess of it:(. Luckily we have Huncamunca to sort it out.

    Hope you feel better soon.
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    Only because by some fluke my FMP has reverted to old-style! I am not looking forward to getting the new one back again. :(
     
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    Lucky you! As an aside when you are forced back onto the 'new' version check your personal details, since the changeover it appears everyone has had a check box ticked that allows them to share your details, so you have to get into your profile and untick if that is what you prefer.
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Found and saved, no harm done and everything is all right now 8(:-)
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    I don't suppose anyone feels like tackling Robert's 1852 PCC will? It's like reading cuneiform :eek:

    I've done this much, my eyes are watering and need to rest

    This is the Last Will and Testament
    [of me] Robert Harrison of Philpot Lane in the City of London and of 20 ~
    Sussex Place Regents Park in the County of Middlesex Merchant I nominate
    and appoint my Wife Charlotte Scholastica Harrison and my Friends [?]
    [?] and James [?] both of [?] in the said City of London ~
    Merchants Executrix and Executors of this my Will I give and bequeath
    all my household furniture plate linen china [?] books prints
    (--- page 2)
    pictures [?] and other effects in and upon my present dwelling house
    and offices in Sussex Place aforesaid or in any other house or dwelling in ~
    which I may reside at the time of my death unto my said Wife for her own
    absolute use and benefit I give and bequeath the sum of twenty thousand
    pounds to my said Wife for her own absolute use and benefit I give and be-
    queath to my Sister Elizabeth Harrison of Woburn Place Hackney the sum of
    five thousand pounds and the like sum of five thousand pounds to my ~
    Brother William Harrison of Woburn Place Hackney aforesaid and I [?]
    that in case my estate shall not be sufficient to pay the said legacies of twenty
    thousand pounds to my Wife and five thousand pounds each to my Brother
    & Sister the sums shall abate actually I give and bequeath to each of my before
    mentioned Executors fifty pounds I give and bequeath all the Rest and ~
    Residue of my Estate and Effects whatsoever and wheresoever both [?]
    and personal not herein before by me disposed of to my said Wife my said
    Sister Elizabeth & my said Brother William their Executors & administrators
    in manner following that is to say four equal sixth parts thereof to my said
    Wife one other sixth part thereof to my said Sister Elizabeth Harrison [?]
    [?] and accumulate for her and their own absolute use and benefit ~
    and the remaining one sixth part thereof to unto my said Brother William
    Harrison the executors and accumulate[?] for his and their own absolute ~
    use and benefit I give devise and bequeath all the estates [?] at the time ~
    of my



    P.S. I don't expect anyone to finish it for me but would appreciate comments and/or corrections

    Thanks :)
     
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    Yuk, that's a horrible one. The image doesn't look as if it's quite in focus, which adds to the usual difficulties with this handwriting. You've done very well to decipher as much as you have. :)

    Here are my suggestions for what goes in the gaps (bold text).

    This is the Last Will and Testament
    [of me] Robert Harrison of Philpot Lane in the City of London and of 20 ~
    Sussex Place Regents Park in the County of Middlesex Merchant I nominate
    and appoint my Wife Charlotte Scholastica Harrison and my Friends Henry ~
    David Blyth and James Blyth both of Austin Friars in the said City of London ~
    Merchants Executrix and Executors of this my Will I give and bequeath
    all my household furniture plate linen china wines liquors books prints
    (--- page 2)
    pictures carriage[?] and other effects in and upon my present dwelling house
    and offices in Sussex Place aforesaid or in any other house or dwelling in ~
    which I may reside at the time of my death unto my said Wife for her own
    absolute use and benefit I give and bequeath the sum of twenty thousand
    pounds to my said Wife for her own absolute use and benefit I give and be-
    queath to my Sister Elizabeth Harrison of Woburn Place Hackney the sum of
    five thousand pounds and the like sum of five thousand pounds to my ~
    Brother William Harrison of Woburn Place Hackney aforesaid and I declare ~
    that in case my estate shall not be sufficient to pay the said legacies of twenty
    thousand pounds to my Wife and five thousand pounds each to my Brother
    & Sister the sums shall abate equally I give and bequeath to each of my before
    mentioned Executors fifty pounds I give and bequeath all the Rest and ~
    Residue of my Estate and Effects whatsoever and wheresoever both real
    and personal not hereinbefore by me disposed of to my said Wife my said
    Sister Elizabeth & my said Brother William their Executors & administrators
    in manner following that is to say four equal sixth parts thereof to my said
    Wife one other sixth part thereof to my said Sister Elizabeth Harrison her exe
    cutors and administrators for her and their own absolute use and benefit ~
    and the remaining one sixth part thereof to unto my said Brother William
    Harrison his executors and administrators for his and their own absolute ~
    use and benefit I give devise and bequeath all the estates which at the time ~
    of my[....]
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Thank you Huncamunca :)

    You have given me the courage to persevere ...
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Or you could walk the dogs( if you have such) or just go into the garden with a crossword book or novel & ignore the above for a time until your multitasking abilities settle down & let your thoughts unravel again.:)

    (I know I began a sentence with 'or' but Jan did same with 'but'
    which I have oft wanted to do,..so...)
     
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