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James Kettle - housebreaker

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  1. annabel

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    I've never found a criminal before, is he really my 4x g grandfather?

    James Kettle, a sawyer, married Sarah Dye 1810 at St Stephen's, Norwich
    They had 3 children that I can find, Sarah Dye 1812, James 1814 and Mary Maria 1816 all baptised All Saints, Norwich

    The next year in 1817 there is a record of a James Kettle being sentenced to death at the summer assizes, Norwich, for housebreaking

    Apart from Sarah Dye the daughter, I have not found any more about any of them. Any suggestions as to how I can find out if it's the right one?
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    I'm supposed to be cleaning my house but.......he's here in Van Diemen's Land:D
    Left in December 1817 on the Lady Castlreagh.
     
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    The above James Kettle was tried Norfolk Assizes.
    There is a marriage for James Kettle born 1796 first to Ellen Curtis in 1825.
    Then James Kettle born 1796 to Anne Pennington in 1876.
    He died in 1881 age 85 and a will 1882 leaving his goods to Susan Turner wife of William Turner, I assume is a daughter.
    A free pardon was granted number 206 on 6/1/1836. Not much at all on his convict info....so far.
    That birth year doesn't look right though. 1796 a bit young to be married in 1810.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    I now can't find where it stated that 12 for boys & 14 for girls was acceptable until the law was changed a bit later the date of which I also cannot recall. However to the above point:, James was held in captivity on hulks at Portsmouth before his journey to NSW on the Lady Castlreagh.
    Name: James Kettle
    Vessel: Batavia
    Convicted Date: 5 Aug 1817
    Voyage Date: Oct 1817
    Colony: New South Wales
    Place of Conviction: Norfolk, England
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    Name: Jas Kettle
    Age: 20
    Estimated birth year: abt 1797
    Date Received: 15 Nov 1817
    Ship: Laurel
    Place Moored: Portsmouth
    Date Convicted: 5 Aug 1817
    Place Convicted: Norfolk
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    Norwich 15 Nov 1817
    Jas Kettle- 20-Burglary-life, [dis't?] 6 Dec. 1817
    Name: Jas Kettle

    Rather a lot of James Kettle/ Kittles in Norfolk.

    Edit :http://www.genealogy-specialists.com/threads/david-jones-1781-wales.5710/#post-79592
    #5

    Of course I had it back to front age wise.
     
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    I wondered why you found him heading to NSW but the Lady Castlereagh sailed via Sydney where it landed 39 convicts then continued to VDL with the remaining 261. Can't for the life of me find his original record but he appears in another record book 11 July 1828 'illegally ? spirits' that incurred a 50 pound fine + costs.
    So, you do think it could be him, married at age 13-14? Transported age 20.
    Married Ellen in 1825, cant find a permission though. Ellen died in 1843 and he married Ann Pennington a widow when he was 78. ;)
     
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    Marriage to Ellen Curtis age 24, a convict from the Lord Sidmouth, he a convict age 27 from the Lady Castlereagh at St Davids, Hobart Town.
     
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    As James Kittle, a widower he may have married Catherine Daggers, a widow in 1843, in between Ellen Curtis and Ann Pennington. Her death notice gives her address as Argyle Street which is where James was living when he died in 1881.
     
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    Seems a bit unfair for poor Eleanor Curtis when she is found sharing her bed with her husband James Kettle and Margaret Donovan. For that she was charged with indecent behaviour and received 2 months hard labour in the Female Factory. Can't seem to find that James got any punishment......Perhaps they were just cold.:sceptical:
     
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    Thank you for finding out all that. He seems like he was very popular with the ladies!
    But there is nothing so far to show if its the same James. If only the rest of the family would give me a clue
     
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    It was fun searching though. :D
     
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    All New South Wales, Australia Convict Ship Muster Rolls and Related Records, 1790-1849 results for James Kettle
    Name: James Kettle
    Vessel: Lady Castlereagh
    Arrival Year: 1818
    Date of Conviction: 5 Aug 1817
    I seem to have put the NSW in the wrong context Sue. You were correct.
    I went back & found this on the "Baring" which seems to be the ship he arrived in. So did we know he was Irish? so far no mention of his occupation other than the crime he was convicted for.
    James Kettle -Baring.JPG
     
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    The one on the Baring arrived 1815 from London Gaol Delivery. Too early for Annabel's James.
    If only we could find his original conduct record...:(
     
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    James Kettle per 'Baring' 1815 was 13 years old when he was transported
     
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    Just as a matter of interest, James Kettle was sentenced to death at The Old Bailey in January 1815 along with his cohort John Reeves who also received a death sentence at age 11. They stole two shawls. Disgusting.....
    James Kettle did well in NSW receiving a free pardon in 1837.
    Not sure what became of John Reeves. I hope he did well also.
    Yes! he did well too, receiving his ToL in 1838. He also came out on the Baring with his mate James Kettle.
    Sorry, Annabel. Didn't mean to hijack, just needed to satisfy my curiosity.
     
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    Sad, isn't it? :(
     
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    This has been great to read through, but I don't think it's the right James Kettle. Perhaps he's a relative, so research still relevant
     
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    There is a burial for Sarah Kettle Dye 13 July 1823 Norwich. Could this be the wife or the daughter? No indication of age. There is a marriage for a Sarah Kettle b abt 1811 to Richard Steward in Gt Yarmouth in 1834, could this be the daughter? They are together in Gt Yarmouth in 1841. His parents Richard and Anna Steward are living nearby
     
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    Yes Sarah Kettle late Dye 1823 is the burial of James's wife I think. Sarah Dye Kettle the daughter married George Sexton 1845.

    Through the thread "1851 census sample" James has been found in London with his new wife, but not his other kids. Its been very interesting to read about this James, he may still be a relation. My James (his father was possibly John) and Sarah's marriage in 1810 has a witness Jas Kettle
     
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