Mary Ann ASHTON, formerly [name] ?

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    Mary Ann ASHTON, formerly [name] ?
    Any ideas, bearing in mind "formerly" does not necessarily mean "maiden name" ?
    Later census (for ASHTON) show she was born 1847 in Kinver, Staffordshire.
     

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    Mc ??? on - were there any children registered so you could look at the GRO index for help?
     
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    I was thinking Mc[something] possibly ending "ison"
    Don't seem to be able to find a marriage for Mary Ann to James ASHTON so can't check it that way.
    The pic is from her daughter's birth cert (Gertrude Ashton, 7 Feb 1882, Warrington).
    No baptisms found for other children Elizabeth (1869, Kinver), Mary Ann (1870, Kinver), Polly (1871, Kinver), James (1873, Kinver) so no joy there either.
     
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    Mary Ann Ashton age 0 on the 1871 census was baptised to a James Ashton and Mary Anne in Kinver. Marriage to James Ashton and Mary Ann Wilkinson at Kidderminster March 1868. So I believe the name to be Wilkinson
     
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    Well done AM 8(:-)- the GRO index confirms Gertrude mmn Wilkinson
     
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    Just came back to say I found all that on good old family search. Mary Ann the baby was born 2 May 1870 and christened on 3 July 1870
     
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    I could not find birth reg's for Elizabeth, Polly or Mary Ann
    but James* (Mar qtr 1873 Sheffield 9c 524) Ernest* (June qtr 1875 Sheffield 9c 368) and Ada (Mar qtr 1882 Warrington 8c 195) all show mmn as Wilkinson

    * 1891 census give pob as Sheffield
     
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    Ah ha:) - this looks like Mary Ann June qtr 1870 Wolverhampton 6b 487 mmn Wilkinson
     
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    Whoops:oops: Ada was 1884 (no 1882 as per :oops:post#7) district volume and page numbers are correct - sorry
     
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    Mmmm, I have come upon easier lines to trace so I'm grateful for all you have found, especially "Wilkinson" (I was convinced it started with an "M").
    The whole family seems a bit illusive with a distinct lack of flow (not enjoying this one, roll-on G&T time).
     
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    Born 21st May ?
     
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    Very odd family, Mary Ann alone with the children in 1871 and 1881 (as head, wife and widow:rolleyes:).
    I do wonder if Polly in 1891 is Mary Ann's pet name

    There is a bap in Kinver 22/12/1868 for an Edith Ashton d/o James and Mary Anne (born 4/8/1868) of Foster St. and James is a forgeman - the same occ as on Mary Anne's bap in 1870
    The is a note saying "recieved 3/7/1870" - the same day as Mary Anne's bap

    There is a birth reg for Edith Ashton Sept qtr 1868 Wolverhampton 6b 453
    mmn Wilkinson - so is this Elizabeth from the 1871 census?
     
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    There is a death reg. for Edith Ashton March qtr 1872 Sheffield 9c 347 age 3
     
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    Mary Ann as a widow in 1871 & 1881 has had me confused for quite some time as I have James on the marriage cert of Gertrude in 1903 and it doesn't say that James is "deceased". I even started searching criminal records at one point in case he was "away" for a while.
    I can't find a death for Mary Ann or James either.
    The whole family all looks very disjointed and illogical.

    It's one of those that I have left (for longer than I care to remember) and come back to - James & Mary Ann are my illusive maternal great-grandparents.
     
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    James ASHTON 1843-?
    Mary Ann WILKINSON 1847-?

    Children:
    Elizabeth 1869-?
    Mary Ann 1870-1951 (married Edgar PEARCE)
    Polly 1871-?
    James 1873-?
    Ernest 1876-?
    Gertrude 1882-1945 (married Richard W WRIGHT) .... my grandparents
    Ada 1884-?
     
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    There is a death reg for James Ashton -
    Warrington Sept qtr 1904 8c 161 age 61
    Warrington Dec qtr 1906 8c 161 age 63

    both fit with age 58 on 1901 census
     
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    In comparison with Smith, Jones, Davis etc this should be reasonably straightforward but with dates and places flitting from one to another, obvious gaps and no definite path, I can see now why I previously set it aside.

    It doesn't help when Kidderminster is sometimes listed as Staffordshire and sometimes its shown to be in Worcestershire !!!
     
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    So far I have had no luck in finding any of them post 1901 census

    I did come across a bap of Mary Ann Wilkinson in Kinver

    31/5/1846 at Kinver St Peter
    Mary Ann d/o Benjamin (labourer) and Mary
     
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    Yes, that's right :oops:. It was late and I was due to snuggle up in the doona. My finger missed the 1.
     
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    I can only find two births and baptisms that may or may not fit. The first of course is Mary Ann 1870 and the other is an Edith born 4 August 1868 baptised 22 Dec 1868 parents of both are James and Mary Ann Ashton and they were baptised at Kinver. Family Search. I'm wondering if the Elizabeth post #15 was actually the Edith 1868
     
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