Hi! I'm new to this site but hoping someone can help me out. Im researching a Prideaux family, and seeking the parents of Alfred Prideaux who died 1947 in West Glamorgan. He was born in 1877 in Sidmouth, Devon if I am correct. The bmd only gives me the index record so I have no parent names and I'm a bit too far away to have a look can someone help point me in the right direction? Thanks!!!
Welcome USAGirl, 1881 Census for Honiton, Devon RG:11, Piece:2132, Folio:69, Page:21, there is Elizabeth Prideaux Unmarried, 30 b.1851 Inmate (Pauper) born Sidmouth, Devon William Prideaux 9 b.1872 Scholar Sidmouth, Devon Alfred Prideaux 3 b.1878 Honiton, Devon They are in the Union Workhouse in Honiton.
No guarantee he is yours: Alfred Prideaux Registration-1877 Honiton, Devon, England 1881 Union workhouse has william 74 a widower & tailor of Salcombe Regis, Devon. Elizabeth Prideaux 30 unmarried of Sidmouth, William Prideaux 9 of Sidmouth & Alfred Prideaux 3 of Honiton. Alfred Prideaux Registration Year: 1904 Registration Quarter: Apr-May-Jun Registration district: Swansea married Miriam John or Margaret Ann Price 1911-RG14; Piece: 32725; Schedule Number: 194 Alfred Prideaux 31 Stationary B.Fireman of Sidmouth. Miriam Prideaux 28 married 7 yrs. William Y Prideaux 6 Brinley J Prideaux 5
This maybe Elizabeth with her parents in the 1861 census in Sidmouth. RG:9, Piece:1380, Folio:30. Page:17. Samuel Prideaux, Lodger, 29 Married, Shoe Maker, b. Sidmouth Caroline Prideaux, Wife 30 Sidmouth Betsy Prideaux, Dau 10 Sidmouth Alfred Prideaux, Son 5months Sidmouth
No maiden name is given for the Alfred that Ma found in Honiton, Devon in post # 3. That could mean either it couldn't be read or none was given, I think.
Wow! So I think my Alfred is the one in the workhouse in the 1881 census since he was born in Sidmouth in that year. He is the father of Brinley, so the 1911 census in Swansea looks correct! Is there any possiblity parents names or on either his actual death certificate the marriage certificate? I'm not familiar with what is provided on those forms. I'm guessing he married Miriam John since Miriam is the wife in 1911. Thanks so much! You all are amazing!
His parents names will be on his birth certificate but given that Elizabeth is unmarried on the 1881 census, it maybe that no father is listed on the certificate. Marriage certificates do have a space for father's name and occupation. This could be blank if not known or sometimes the name would be made up if they wanted to avoid others knowing that they were illegitimate. Google Honiton Workhouse for images and advice on records.
Thank you so much! I'll google the workhouse and see what I can find! I was hoping parents were on death records like here in the US but you're right, and it could be blank. I am wondering if Elizabeth is the Betsey in the 1861 census. Looks like in the poorhouse there's an old William Prideaux also, who is listed as a tailor. I whine William had a son Samuel Prideaux, which would possibly make him Elizabeth's grandfather?? Very difficult family I'm working on lol!
Maybe or not:- William Botterell Prideaux Born 02, Jan 1805 Baptised 06, Oct 1805 DenominationAnglican Place Stoke Damerel Pts:William + Mary Archive Plymouth & West Devon Record Office Record set Devon Baptisms ................... Name: Samuel Prideaux Baptised: 16 Sep 1832 Baptism Place: Salcombe Regis,Devon,England Pts: William Prideaux: + Charlotte FHL Film Number: 916930 .............. Name Charles Prideaux Christened 03 Jan 1836 Christening Place SALCOMBE REGIS,DEVON,ENGLAND Pts: William Prideaux + Charlotte .......... 1851 England Census Name: Charlotte Prideaux.-Age: 41: b.abt 1810 Wife of: William Prideaux..pauper-tailor of Salcombe Regis Where born: Sidbury, Devon, England Civil Parish: Sidmouth William Prideaux 43 Charlotte Prideaux 41 Samuel Prideaux 18-shoemaker Ann Prideaux 11 lace maker Frederick Prideaux 7 Mary Prideaux 2 William Prideaux 5 Mo Source Citation Class: HO107; Piece: 1864; Folio: 353; Page: 19 ...... 1871 Name: Charlotte Prideaux--Age:62-:b.abt 1809 Relation: Wife of: William Prideaux Where born: Sidmouth, Devon, England Registration district: Honiton Sub-registration district: Ottery St Mary William Prideaux 63 Charlotte Prideaux 62 Ann Prideaux 31 Source Citation Class: RG10; Piece: 2044; Folio: 28; Page: 32; .............. Name: Alfred Prideaux Birth Date: abt 1877 Date of Registration: Dec 1947 Age at Death: 70 Registration district: West Glamorgan Inferred County: Glamorganshire Volume: 8b Page: 725
William, Alfred's brother, has no mothers maiden name either. With Elizabeth being single, I would bet that both boys were born illegitimate. Alfred's death is registered in 1947 Glamorganshire as you say. Alfred's wife Miriam according to the 1911 census says she was 28 years old, giving a birth year of 1883. There is a death in Swansea in 1912 for a Miriam Prideaux born 1883 aged 29. Looks like Miriam died the year after the 1911 census.
PRIDEAUX, WILLIAM GODFREY Mothers maiden name: JOHN GRO Reference: 1904 J Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 1066 PRIDEAUX, BRINLEY JAMES Mothers maiden name: JOHN GRO Reference: 1906 M Quarter in SWANSEA Volume 11A Page 1093
from the 1939 censu, living at 28 Lower Lime Street , Llwchwr., Glamorganshire Alfred Prideaux born 22 Sep 1877
So if the Alfred who died in a Glamorgan is the same Alfred who was in the Honiton work house then his mother was Elizabeth and he was likely illegitimate. Given that Samuels daughter Betsey's brothers name was Alfred, there's a change Betsey is Elizabeth and the old William in the work house is her grandfather... If I've got that right! So I need to find out if Alfred in Honiton is the same Alfred in Glamorgan. The 1911 glamorgan census states that he was born in Sidmouth, so this very well may be the same Alfred!
And if Alfred in Glamorgan married Miriam John, then marriage record should tell parents names, right?
Marriage records show for each person name age Abode Occupation Fathers name Fathers occupation It won't tell you the name of the mother. As, I think, Alfred was illegitimate, he may not have his fathers name or occupation. But as he seems to be with his grandfather he may use his name to cover any stigma.
So basically if I get birth and marriage and combine these census records, I should be able to deduce it. Because if father is blank on all of them, or a known grandfather, we know what the deal was. The name doesn't seem all that popular with the given information so I can pretty much follow the Sidmouth, Hontion, Glamorgan track. I think lol!
I cannot tell you how helpful you have been! I've not researched in Wales before and I'm working on a tree for a friend, trying to navigate the area and records is very different that here. Thank you!