Can anyone see what her relationship is?

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  1. Lindylou

    Lindylou Well-Known Member

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    Hello Everyone,
    Just dropping in for a while again. :)

    Can anyone see what Martha Budd's relationship is please. I think I can see it, but it comes as bit of a surprise if it does say what I think :).

    It is in the 1851 Census of Steep in the Tything of Ashford.

    John Wells Head age 41
    Elizabeth Wells Wife age 31
    and at the bottom
    Martha Budd ? age 10?

    Happy Hunting ;)
    Lindylou XXX
     

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  2. MollyMay

    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Wife's love child :oops:
     
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    Oh dear!
    "Wife's love child"
    Many of mine are from Steep, Froxfield, East Meon etc
    One was baptised as "baseborn upon the body of" her mother
    How things have changed!
     
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    Looks like "Wife's love child".

    I haven't come across this in my own family, but when following up a forum post for someone else a few months ago I did see something similar in a census. I can't remember the exact term used, though it might have been something like "wife's illegitimate son".

    Edit: looks like we're all on the same page :)
     
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    AnnB Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!

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    And what a refreshing way to describe said child, rather than the usual terminology of the day.... :rolleyes:
     
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    John Wells married Elizabeth Budd Sept qtr 1845 Petersfield 7 - 191 ;)
     
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    Interesting way of putting it. Guess he wasn't going to let her forget she wasn't a step daughter. To me it almost seems like a slap in the face instead of being nice about it. Step daughter would not have made you nearly as curious as this.
     
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    Yes, stepdaughter would have more or less covered it, I'd have thought. The one I mentioned above, I've a feeling it was a child born during the marriage, and the husband clearly wasn't too pleased about it.
     
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    Thank you every one,

    I thought maybe Wife's Cousin, before I enlarged it. Then I was pretty certain it "was," Wife's Love Child, but just wanted to see what you all thought:)

    Like you Ann, I quite liked that way of putting it.

    Illegitimate doesn't sound very nice does it Arthur.

    Oh, and Auburn, Baseborn on the body of, her Mother, what an awful way of putting it.

    I hadn't really thought of it as a slap in the face Sue, I quite liked the term, but yes, I don't expect Elizabeth or Martha herself would have been very pleased with it.

    And thank you Molly may for the Marriage info. I hadn't looked any further yet. I was just clicking through the census pages for the area, after looking up Thomas Budd. I had recently read that you can usually find other members of the family in the same area by doing this, and yes, Bingo! :) Will be going through all the census pages with family members on from now on. Might take me quite q while I think, but could prove very interesting and helpful in my continuing quest :D.

    Thank you again every one.
    Lindylou XXX
     
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    Oh yes, maybe, Hadn't thought of that Arthur. He was right to be a bit Miffed then :mad:
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    If you have FMP, then you can find the transcription of Martha's baptism in East Meon, interestingly her father was named Frederic Budd (as you are looking for Budds) and mother Elizabeth Newman and she is noted as illegitimate.
     
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    Thank you for that MollyMay,

    I'm afraid I don't have FMP Just A for a couple more months, thanks to my Husband's Birthday pressie:).

    Lindylou XXX
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    If you pop into your local Library, you should be able to access Find My Past for free. ;)

    (As well as Ancestry and the British Newspaper Library :reading: )
     
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    Thank's Jan,

    I forgot about that. Didn't realise they had newspaper access though.

    Lindylou XXX
     
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    Findem The Fearless One. Rest in Peace.

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    Looks like Wife's love child to me also.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    I was mulling this over early this morning when I first read it.
    "Wife's love child". So if this is what this child was referred to then the other children of the marriage should feel a bit miffed, to say the least.
    Were they born out of 'duty' or were they born out of love too.
    One would hope that all children are born a 'love child'
    Just saying.......:rolleyes:
     
  17. MollyMay

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    Martha Budd's birth was registered as Martha Newman with no mmn given.

    Martha Budd can be found on the 1841 census (HO107 p396 bk8 f19 pg4)
    in East Meon.
    There is an Elizabeth Budd listed, but no sign of Frederic
    I have not found a marriage for Elizabeth Newman to any Budd.

    All very curious:rolleyes:
     
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    If you just google "East Meon parish registers" you will be amazed at the free transcriptions available . Just take your pick from several sites.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    doesn't the 1851 census give the child's age as 10? So she would have been born before the marriage.
    Forgive if wrong here, been a busy day. [Today's Doggie casserole was so-oo good.] Lamb bones for stock 2nd time around & lots of vegies & herbs. Son said "Dog's dinner"? I intend to do much the same for the grown ups soon.
     
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    You're quite right about this one of Lindylou's.

    It was me that muddied the waters by referring to another one that I'd seen who I thought had been born during the marriage. However, I've now managed to find the thread where I thought I'd seen this and retraced what my steps might have been, and I can't find any sign of said child or possibly wayward mother.

    I don't have any memory of commenting on what I'd seen, only noticing it in passing, so I doubt I'd be able to search a forum for it. And it might even have been a different thread from around the same time and the memories have got merged, never to be untangled. I also dream FH sometimes...:rolleyes:
     

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