Catherine Rosina Connell

I do the same thing Amie but keep the tree private till I have checked everything saves having people just copy anything I have got wrong. I do find it a useful way of keeping track

 

Grizel
I am having difficulty finding this on family search can you tell me what you put in the search box please.Thank you Elizabeth

 

Not sure - but looking again, Catherine Rosina Wills birthplace Middlesex seems to bring up the christening and workhouse birth. The workhouse record is Wells.
The 1881 record has Katherine (with a K) R Connall (with an a) born Middlesex.
Hope that helps.
I often find records appearing and disappearing on FS for no obvious reason!

 

Thanks Grizel, that is helpful.

 

I am not sure if my mind is working overtime and putting too much emphasis on this information.
My great grandmother was Catherine Rosina Connell, she married James Clements in December 1870. Their first child (Sarah Catherine Rosina Clements) was born in 1871. We have looked and looked to find a birth registration and never have. I dont think we ever will but over the years I have realised the marriage was a volatile one and didn't really last. If newspaper and workhouse records are correct my great grandmother was in and out of different workhouses. She died aged 39 years.
My latest theory or problem and I realise I am clutching straws here is that I have found a record for a child born at the St Pancras Workhouse and wonder could it be my great grandmothers first child. It is for Catherine Sarah Connell born 4th Aug 1871 baptised 16 Aug 1871 at Old St Pancras Church. The area is where my great grandmother grew up and the date is where I would expect it to be. The name would be my great grandmothers maiden name, although we know she was then married.
What do you think are the possibilities of this and any suggestions how I can look into it a bit more? many thanks.
Elizabeth

 

Marriages Dec 1870
CLEMENTS James + CONNELL Catherine Rosina- Pancras 1b-77

 

Interestingly the birth date of the Catherine Sarah Connell baptised old church St Pancras was also 4th August, mother Catherine Connell no father given - but 1871 not 1870 .... so after the marriage to James Clements. There is also an 1871 birth registration for that child.

 

Thanks Chimp. I have seen this and it is an adult baptism. I think by then she was working for a religious lady and they had a close relationship. Technically Sarah Katherine Rosina Clements was born to a catholic mother but mum had married someone from the Church of England. If this St Pancras workhouse record is correct, would it be likely there was a second baptism. My thought is she might not even have known she was baptised early on, as there seemed little contact with her mother later.
Would the workhouse have encouraged baptisms? Does that explain it?

 

I have sent for this birth certificate, incase it gives any clues. I hadn't noticed the similarity in the 4th Aug date. It is so good to hear what others say and I do often miss the obvious. Thank you so much.

 

I would say yes they do I have had experience of that with my great grandmother who was baptised 2 years after when in the workhouse

 

It's a bit early still for my clear thinking, but could the adult baptism been leading up to a prospective marriage for Sarah Katherine giving her a sound parental relationship.? I have a couple of adult baptisms in our family just before they were wed.

 

This post may seem like a muddle but to me it's not. I have two Catherine Rosina Clements that I was trying to find a connection with. I might not have proved it yet but it is very likely the families would have at least known each other given the time and places they were living. My great grandmother the older Catherine Rosina had her second child around the same time/place as Catherine Wills had her daughter Catherine Rosina (then married a Clements). I might never prove this but I will try and get to the archives, to see what records there are for the St Pancras Workhouse. If any exist there will be some record of my great grandmother, as she created havoc wherever she went (runs in the family). I also will try and look at the baptisms. I wonder did the workhouse 'use' Old St Pancras Church.
Then the wonderful Grizel came up with the two records on Family Search which lead me on a very winding path. I had already claimed Old St Pancras Church as mine and felt the ghosts within. I looked more and found maybe my great grandmothers first child was perhaps also born in St Pancras Workhouse. The more I think about it the more I feel it is likely. Although the names are different Catherine Sarah Connell and Sarah Catherine Clements born in 1871 I would have expected to find a birth registration but never did and I sent for endless birth certificates. Sarah Catherine Rosina Clements may have been born under her mothers maiden name for a lot of different reasons. On the 1881 census she is recorded as Catherine Clements and is seen with her younger siblings. The birthday recorded at baptism matches.
Now this may not seem exciting to you all and I forgive you for that but it is funny how some of our ancestors become more interesting than others. I guess Sarah Catherine Rosina Clements was the earliest one that I heard tales about and really felt family. If I have got this all wrong I may leave the country and go to where they do not do any family history, if there is such a place. If I find out more I will keep you all informed, thank you for reading through my amblings, bearing with me and helping me out.
Elizabeth

 

Yes it is - I like nothing better to read how other's brickwalls suddenly come together and a hole looks like being in sight (it gives me hope, that some of my own may one day crumble too).
Do please let us know, how it all ends, Elizabeth

 

Ditto.

 

I too have been losing sleep over your family! - but in a nice way.
Perhaps Catherine was already known to the workhouse as a Connell not a Clements?
And have you seen the death of Sarah Clements age 1 in Hampstead in 1871?

 

Ummmmm Something I will def look into, thanks.

 

Well my birth certificate has arrived and not quite what I hoped for but I am not totally ruling it out. Catherine Sarah Connell was born in the workhouse as expected. Her mother though was Emma Catherine Connell an unmarried woman, I'm clutching straws and know I need to go to the archives for the workhouse records.

 

I have just sent for this and I will keep you posted thank you.