Questioning my great-great-great-grandmother's origins

Elizabeth Perry nee Collier was born c. 1843/44/45, apparently in either Northamptonshire or Oxfordshire, and married George Perry on 19th Dec 1863 in Sutton Courtenay, Berkshire. I thought I had traced her line, but going over it again after a long break I'm starting to doubt everything. Here's her marriage:

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https://search.ancestry.co.uk/cgi-bin/sse.dll?indiv=1&dbid=9852&h=34437531&tid=78237455&pid=40384579672&usePUB=true#?_phcmd=u('https://www.ancestry.co.uk/search/?name=George_Perry&birth=1842_sutton+courtenay-berkshire-england-united+kingdom_82159&death=1928_maidenhead-berkshire-england-united+kingdom_82127&child=Arthur_Perry&child2=Emily_Perry&child3=Frederick_Perry&child4=William_Perry&child5=Henry_Perry&child6=Alice_Perry&child7=Ellen_Perry&child8=Frank_Perry&father=John_Perry&gender=m&location=3257.3250&marriage=1863_sutton+courtenay-berkshire-england-united+kingdom_82159&mother=Martha_Giles&sibling=Edgar_Perry&sibling2=Albert_Perry&sibling3=James+Henry_Perry&sibling4=Joseph_Perry&sibling5=John_Perry+II&sibling6=Charles_Perry&sibling7=William_Perry&sibling8=Rachel_Perry&spouse=Elizabeth_Collier&treePerson=78237455_40384579672&successSource=Search&queryId=oKVxp6jG4T4Sv0AaKimVug==','successSource')

I'm wondering if anyone can have a gander at the record, since Ancestry has always locked it from me. I know the censuses can vary, but this search led me to many different places, so I can't pin her down. I've finally been able to locate her death in 1931 - an old tree from a cousin had it down as 1887 - and I have what may be her birth certificate in front of me as I type this, but can someone assist in trying to calm the decade-long beast that is Elizabeth? I suppose it's a common genealogists' trick to resort to humour in these situations.

 

For the marriage- Ancestry wasn't hiding image from you,- it wasn't available.
Same at F.Search :-
Name: George Perry
Spouse's Name: Elizabeth Collier
Event Date: 19 Dec 1863
Event Place: Sutton Courtenay,Berkshire,England
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1851-HO107; Piece: 1688; Folio: 601; Page: 22
Father's name: John Perry
Mother's name: Martha Perry
Rachel Perry 13
William Perry 11
George Perry 9
Charles Perry 4
John Perry 2
Alfred Juggins 23 -lodger.
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1871
born: Sutton Courtenay, Berkshire, England
Civil Parish: Bray
Town: Maidenhead
George Perry 28 -paper maker
Eliott Perry 27 [ Elizth.]
Ellen Perry 5
Alice Perry 3
Henry Perry 1
James Hawes 18
Source Citation
Class: RG10; Piece: 1290; Folio: 74; Page: 23
.......

1881 Bridge St Cold Tinkers
George Perry 38
Elizabeth Perry 36
Harry Perry 11
William Perry 9
Frederick Perry 7
Frank Perry 4
Emily Perry 2
Source Citation
Class: RG11; Piece: 1314; Folio: 85; Page: 15;
............
1891 -2 Waldeck Rd. Maidenhead
George Perry 49 -Paper mill lab'r
Esther Perry 46 -??
George Lailey 19 step son
Frank Perry 15
Emily Perry 11
Lulia Lailey 9 Step dtr
Elizabeth Lailey 7 step dtr
Arthur Perry 7 -son
Source Citation
The National Archives of the UK (TNA); Kew, Surrey, England; Class: RG12; Piece: 1002; Folio: 86; Page: 13
.......

1901
George Perry 59
Eliza Perry 45
Matilda Perry 2 -dtr
George Perry 6/12 son
Source Citation
Class: RG13; Piece: 1161; Folio: 50; Page: 33
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1911
George Perry 69
Eliza Perry 56
Matilda Perry 12
George Perry 10
Source Citation
Class: RG14; Piece: 6659; Schedule Number: 168
..........
I'm sorry I don't havet time to investigate the 1891 result re- 'Eshter' & stepchildren.
GR has two 'lailey' children born to mother- COOK.

 

Given that Thomas COLLIER of Mursley married Mary CRANE of Newton Longville on 17 November 1839 at Newton Longville, there is a baptism at Newton Longville on 3 February 1847 for an Elizabeth daughter of Thomas & Mary COLLYER. Previous baptism at Newton Longville on 30 May 1841 for an Ann Elizabeth daughter of Thomas & Mary COLLIER, her birth being registered at Newport Pagnell reg district in the June qtr 1841, mother's maiden name CRANE. However, so far I am having little success finding Thomas & Mary COLLIER in the 1841 census record and no luck finding a death/burial record for Thomas either! There are 3 possible baptismal records for a Thomas COLLIER at Mursley:
12 May 1816 son of Matthew & Elizabeth COLLIER, Labourer
7 November 1819 son of Thomas & Elizabeth COLLIER, Labourer
10 November 1822 son of Thomas & Elizabeth COLLIER, Labourer

No burial record at Mursley between 1819 & 1822 for a Thomas COLLIER that I can find, so were there 2 Thomas COLLIERs married to an Elizabeth?? According to FMP Bucks Marriage transcriptions, there are two marriages at Mursley for Thomas COLLIER to an Elizabeth in the relevant timescale, so you may have to do a bit more digging. Do you have the marriage certificate for Thomas COLLIER & Mary CRANE? If not, you may have to purchase it to obtain enough information to enable you to go further back with any certainty. Daughter Ann (Elizabeth) COLLIER is living with her grandparents Joseph & Ann CRANE in the 1851 census of Newton Longville.

Janet

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COLLIER, ELIZABETH CRANE
GRO Reference: 1845 J Quarter in NORTHAMPTON UNION Volume 15 Page 303

possible?

 

realised that Jan, of course after putting this. Should have read your post about last thread! some researcher me