Different surname to Father.

Discussion in 'General Family History Queries' started by Sally-Ann, Oct 3, 2019.

Tags:
  1. Sally-Ann

    Sally-Ann New Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Kent, England
    Can anyone tell me why a male would have a different name to their father.
    So I have someone born in 1840 and on their marriage certificate Father is listed and the surname is different.
    I have looked at Census and all the other children have the fathers surname as does the mother. It’s just the one child whose surname is different.
    Can anyone help?
    Thanks.
     
  2. Daft Bat

    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    7,835
    Likes Received:
    31,246
    Location:
    Northamptonshire, England.
    Hi Sally-Ann - could you give us details of the names etc and then we can have a rummage.

    There could be a variety of reasons....:confused:
     
    Bay Horse likes this.
  3. GrannyBarb

    GrannyBarb Custodian of the Family Accounts

    Online
    Messages:
    1,501
    Likes Received:
    7,813
    Location:
    Lower Alabama, USA
    Hi, Sally-Ann. Was this an oldest or youngest sibling? If he's the eldest, the mother may have had an earlier marriage. I've also seen, on rare occasions, where some person with influence over the parents insisted on a child having a different surname to prevent a line from going "extinct." As Jan says, there are a variety of possible reasons.
     
    Bay Horse likes this.
  4. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

    Offline
    Messages:
    7,353
    Likes Received:
    19,753
    Location:
    South Australia
    I have similar where the Father pivoted between Edward & Edwin, another where the Father was given the son's name. possibly an error on the part of the clergy or the chap remembered the brother as being more of a father to him.
    Clergy may have also remembered the name from a previous wedding if it had been a busy day, if the bridal pair were illiterate- who would know?

    Is it possible the mother married again? have you seen Baptism records?
     
  5. Sally-Ann

    Sally-Ann New Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Kent, England
    Hi Jan,

    William Hesketh born 1841, married Elizabeth Craven in 1869, that’s where the father states as Richard Wilson.
    William has younger siblings with the surname Wilson. I’m unable to find a marriage with Hesketh and Wilson.
    Thank you
     
  6. Bay Horse

    Bay Horse Can be a bit of a dark horse

    Offline
    Messages:
    2,333
    Likes Received:
    16,382
    Location:
    North-west England
    As you say, William's surname is Wilson in the 1841 census at Layton. Hmm.
     
  7. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

    Offline
    Messages:
    7,353
    Likes Received:
    19,753
    Location:
    South Australia
    Have you also checked the GRO to see how his mother is registered?

    Marriages Mar 1869
    CRAVEN Elizabeth Fylde 8e 755
    Hesketh William

    Is this the chap?
    WILSON, WILLIAM -
    GRO Reference: 1841 M Quarter in THE FYLDE UNION LANCASHIRE Volume 21 Page 393
    Mother not recorded.
     
  8. Sally-Ann

    Sally-Ann New Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Kent, England
    No he’s still down as Hesketh in the census and stated as Son
     
  9. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

    Offline
    Messages:
    7,353
    Likes Received:
    19,753
    Location:
    South Australia
    Perhaps he had reasons for not being identified as the Father's son. An argument- 'some people say their parent is deceased' - or perhaps a police record.
    How does he follow up on censuses?
     
  10. Bay Horse

    Bay Horse Can be a bit of a dark horse

    Offline
    Messages:
    2,333
    Likes Received:
    16,382
    Location:
    North-west England
    Apologies, Sally-Ann... I'm looking at the 1851 at Layton, not '41.
     
  11. Sally-Ann

    Sally-Ann New Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Kent, England
    Sorry I’ve found him in the 1861 census, haven’t found him before. From another persons family tree I’ve seen they have a William Wilson born in 1840, I don’t know if same person.
    I love this puzzle.
     
    Bay Horse and Ma-dotcom like this.
  12. Sally-Ann

    Sally-Ann New Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Kent, England
    He soon marries, need to find earlier censuses and a birth with mother recorded.
     
  13. Sally-Ann

    Sally-Ann New Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Kent, England
    No he’s william Hesketh, father is a Wilson
     
  14. Bay Horse

    Bay Horse Can be a bit of a dark horse

    Offline
    Messages:
    2,333
    Likes Received:
    16,382
    Location:
    North-west England
    There's a William Hesketh b. 1840 living in Golden Hill, Leyland in 1841.
    HO107, piece 526, book 13, folio 45, pg 2.

    Is this William with his natural parents?

    1851 census gives his place of birth as Leyland.
     
  15. Sally-Ann

    Sally-Ann New Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Kent, England
    Yeah I’ve found that one too, but as the fathers name doesn’t match that from the marriage certificate I don’t know. I suppose there could be a chance that both natural parents died?
     
  16. Bay Horse

    Bay Horse Can be a bit of a dark horse

    Offline
    Messages:
    2,333
    Likes Received:
    16,382
    Location:
    North-west England
    That's what I was thinking. Strange that William should be from Leyland and both Richard and Betty are from Blackpool area.
     
  17. Bay Horse

    Bay Horse Can be a bit of a dark horse

    Offline
    Messages:
    2,333
    Likes Received:
    16,382
    Location:
    North-west England
    There's a baptism for a William Hesketh, mother Ann, a 'singlewoman' in Leyland, 1840.

    (GRO ref for that is likely to be 1840 Q1 Chorley 21 378).

    Still digging. :)
     
    Sally-Ann likes this.
  18. Sally-Ann

    Sally-Ann New Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    23
    Likes Received:
    24
    Location:
    Kent, England
    Ok thanks, I’ll go looking for deaths then of potential parents and see what I can find.
     
    GrannyBarb and Bay Horse like this.
  19. Chimp

    Chimp Moderator & Cheeky Human IMP Staff Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    7,409
    Likes Received:
    21,637
    Location:
    Knighton, Powys, Wales
    One of the children on the 1861 census is Thomas Singleton Wilson born 1856.

    WILSON, THOMAS SINGLETON
    Mother's maiden name: SINGLETON
    GRO Reference: 1856 J Quarter in FYLDE Volume 08E Page 545

    Baptism: 11 May 1856 All Hallows, Bispham, Lancashire, England
    Thomas Singleton Wilson - [Child] of Richard Wilson & Betty
    Abode: Layton
    Occupation: Innkeeper
    Baptised by: Henry Powell

    Richard Wilson didn't marry Betty Singleton till 1850

    Marriage: 6? Nov 1850 All Hallows, Bispham, Lancashire, England
    Richard Wilson - 39 yrs, Innkeeper, Bachelor, Layton
    Betsy Singleton - 29 yrs, Spinster, Marton
    Groom's Father: John Wilson, Cooper
    Bride's Father: Thomas Singleton, Farmer
    Witness: John Wilson; Mary Singleton
    Married by Licence by: Henry Powell, Incumbent
    Notes: [Date could be 6 or 8.]

    Witness Mary Wilson - Betty had a sister Mary born in 1832

    Richard's father was John Wilson a Cooper. In 1841 There is a Richard Wilson born 1816 (remember ages were rounded down), a Cooper, living with Ellen born 1781 and John (presumably his brother) born 1816. living at Wilds Nook, Poulton, Fylde, Lancashire There is no sign of a William with them.
    HO107
    Piece number: 497
    Book number: 2
    Folio number: 5
    Page number: 5

    In 1841 Betty can be found living with her parents Thomas & Anne and 8 of her siblings at Moss Midgland, Poulton, Fylde, Lancashire.
    HO107
    Piece number: 497
    Book number: 4
    Folio number: 27
    Page number: 7

    There is no sign of William with her. The only William in the household is aged 15 years.

    So not sure where William Hesketh appeared from.
     
    Sally-Ann likes this.
  20. Chimp

    Chimp Moderator & Cheeky Human IMP Staff Member

    Offline
    Messages:
    7,409
    Likes Received:
    21,637
    Location:
    Knighton, Powys, Wales
    Just to add to this. Richard says his father is John Wilson a Cooper.

    There is this baptism:-

    Baptism: 16 Jul 1809 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire, England
    Richard Wilson otherwise Whiteside - son of John Wilson otherwise Whiteside & Ellen
    Born: 7 Jul 1809
    Abode: Carleton
    Occupation: Cooper

    Marriage: 20 Oct 1807 St Chad, Poulton-le-Fylde, Lancashire, England
    John Wilson or Whiteside - Cooper, this Parish
    Ellen Smith - (X), Spinster, this Parish
    Witness: Henry Wilson; Alice Fare, (X)
    Married by Banns legally published by: Thos. Turner Vicar of Poulton
    Notes: [Groom signed] John Wilson

    Still doesn't get us any further with finding William. I was hoping that back tracking might shed some light on who he was.
     
    Ma-dotcom likes this.

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice