Birth record with adoption

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  1. polly

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    Its been too long! Hope all are well?
    I need your help again please - if a birth record from 1936 has 'adopted' written on the side would that have been from birth? As the problem I have is that there is an official closed record in the 1939 Register which would have fitted her perfectly!

    I am researching:
    June May BRADBURN
    Born Apr 1936
    1939 Register: Fth: William Edward BRADBURN and Mth: Elizabeth L RUSSELL, 5, Deakin Rd, Birmingham.

    Is there anyway I can obtain her adoption records??

    Thanks as always for your help.
     
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    As far as I am aware, only the person whose adoption records they are can apply. However, if anyone knows different, then thank you!

    Meanwhile, unless there is evidence to the contrary, it is perfectly possible for someone born in 1936 to still be alive. In which case, this is not the correct place for help with any research. We cannot help with living - or potentially living - people. :)
     
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    I can't help with the specific case but this caught my eye.

    What exactly do you mean by "birth record"? Do you mean the birth certificate?

    If a birth certificate is marked "Adopted" with the signature of the Superintendent Registrar in the right hand margin, we would normally expect the corresponding GRO index entry to have a marginal note ending in "/S" (S meaning Supplementary).

    But in this case the GRO birth index entry for the name you mentioned doesn't seem to have any annotation.

    In the interests of filling a possible gap in my knowledge, it would be good if you wouldn't mind explaining exactly what you found (while avoiding discussing someone who may still be alive).
     
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    Thank you for your query Peter.
    My main question was regarding the word 'adopted' on the certificate.

    It is a birth certificate from the GRO. The normal info is written: date, place of birth, name, gender, father and mother's name, signed by the superintendent,. Then the right hand box has a line through it, and written out of the columns next to the right hand column is the word adopted, underlined, and signed by the deputy superintendent.

    My query is was this written at time of birth, or would it have been added later? And if so, why, and wouldn't they have put a date of the adoption beside the word?

    Any clarification on this matter would be helpful.
    many thanks

     
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    But what about the GRO index?

    If this is the birth certificate of the person you originally mentioned, the GRO index doesn't seem to have any note against the name. I'm talking about a scan of the original paper GRO index and not just a transcription.

    Does the corresponding GRO index entry show a manuscript note ending in "/S"? If so please tell me exactly what it says.

    This will help to answer the question.
     
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    Slightly confused here. I only have the England and Wales registration birth index from ancestry and there is nothing written by the person’s name.
    I have the original birth certificate but it only has the info provided above.
    What do I need to confirm your query, and where would I obtain it from?
    Thanks
     
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    You've stumped me there! I've never come across a birth certificate marked "Adopted" without an annotated GRO entry. Don't forget that if the parents weren't married, there will be two GRO entries to check.

    The birth certificate would have been amended when the adoption was finalised but I don't know of any way to follow that up - the adoption system was designed to be difficult to crack.

    The 1939 register looks a bit unusual too. It suggests the mother (if that's who it is) married later (1943). Could the daughter have changed her name accordingly?

    Sorry I can't help. I wonder if anyone else has any ideas.
     
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    Thanks for your input Peter. It really is a riddle.
    my confusion initially came as my husband is adopted and on his original birth certificate there is no mention of adoption. But his adopted birth certificate is registered as adopted! So I’ve never seen a record with the word adopted on it.

    very intriguing.

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