John Richards at St Keverne

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  1. MollyMay

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    10/2/1777 at St Keverne John Percy married Sarah Thewis - I can only see a transcription
     
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    Thank-you for that MollyMay.
    After looking at your post I found the original on familysearch and John Percy married Sarah Skewis.
    He spelt his surname as Piercy and signed and Sarah signed.
    Witnesses were John Skewis and John Pearce,
     
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    Looking at it again ,I think that John Piercy wrote his name and Sarah signed.
    That is John's mother Eleanor sorted out now the difficult part is John's father John.Why couldn't he have had an unusual name.
     
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    I have found John Richards the father of John Richards whose wife is Eliza Williams.
    1841 has him at HO107/138/2/13/19/332 and he is living with his wife spelt Elinor and a number of children.A few children to add to the tree now.
    1851 he is a widower and is living at HO107/1913/118/21/68
    He is with daughter Betsy and 2 grand-daughters.
    I shall have to find Eleanor's death and the father of the 2 grand-daughters.
    None of this has led me to the father of John born 1790.
    Off to see what turns up.
    Added:
    CornwallOPC has Eleanor burial 16 December 1849 at the 1851 address and she was 63. Easier than I thought.
     
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    1861 has John Richards with daughter Betsy and the same 2 grand-daughters. I wonder if they are Betsy's. He is joined by 2 other Richards and a Williams All grandchildren.
    RG09/1573/18/6/26.
    There is a death of John November 1862 at Manaccan but he is 76 and according to the 1861 census he is 72. Maybe him or maybe not.
     
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    A son Abraham age 4 was buried 30th October 1842 .Residence was Polpidnick.He was burnt.
     
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    Poor little Abraham was the illegitimate son of Elizabeth ,who I think is Betsy on the census. Baptism Abraham 4th March 1838 .
    I should have realised that Eleanor was too old to have children that age if she died in her 60s.:oops:
    Now to see who the other grandchildren belong to.
     
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    The children are multiplying.
    Elizabeth had Abraham bapt 1838. Elizabeth 1840.I can't find a baptism for her at the moment and Eleanor bapt 1851.
    By 1861 there is Richard S Richards born 1858 and Sarah born 1858. No idea who their parents are at the moment. These 2 were born at Manaccan.
    Added:
    Sarah is with her mother Elizabeth in 1871 at RG10/2305/24/3/12 .Sarah born Manaccan.
    FMP has Richard Sampson Richards born Helston District 1858.
     
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    I think that Elizabeth (Betsy)died 1875 and daughter Sarah in 1874. both at Helford.
     
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    Still ploughing through the children of John and Eleanor.
    The latest is Ann baptised the 3rd April 1836.
    Ann married Henry Miles 21 Dec 1865 Cornwallopc but no witnesses mentioned.
    1871 has Ann living alone but married RG10/2305/24/3/17
    Ann is a mariners wife.Her husband is Henry.
    I have found Ann in the previous censuses but would like to find her in the rest.
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    I have found the marriage certificate on familysearch and the witnesses were William Richards and Robert Kitt. The bride and groom plus witnesses all made their marks.
     
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    Still no luck with finding Ann Miles nee Richards after 1871. Maybe she moved around the place because of husband Henry's occupation.
     
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    Plodding through this family I found a marriage between Elizabeth J Richards and John Henry Perry that took place 10th August 1884 at Manaccan and one of the witnesses was William Richards.Either father or brother?
    1891 census has the family at Illogan,Redruth.RG12/1849/4/2/15.
    Sarah borm 1875 is there with the surname Perry.Manaccan was the birth place of Elizabeth and Sarah.
    Probably them?
     
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    I think that I have the wrong Elizabeth J and Sarah.They were the generation before.:oops:
    The Richards that married Perry is,I think,the daughter of William Richards and Elizabeth Jane Williams and she had a daughter named Sarah as well and I think a son called John Eddy Richards.
    Why do they stay with the same names?:rolleyes:
     
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    I am correct with Elizabeth Jane 1853 marrying a Perry.Jane is a daughter of William and Elizabeth Jane (nee Williams)Richards.
    I believe that Elizabeth had a daughter named Sarah Jane Richards born 25th Sept 1875 ,Helford.(Cornwallopc) and a son John Eddy Richards born 1880.
    There is a newspaper report with Elizabeth J in the Cornish Telegraph 19 May 1881 regarding the son.
    Looking at Cornwallopc 1885 Elizabeth has an illegitimate son baptised with the surname Perry in brackets. The child was 4 when baptised.Another boy baptised 1885 age about 3 with surname Richards with Perry in Brackets.Both christened on 25 December 1885.
    Elizabeth Jane married John Henry Perry in 1884 at Manaccan.
    What a mess.
    I have no idea who the father of sarah Jane was as no report in the paper that i can see.
    In a later census Sarah has the surname Perry. That will be fun trying to find anything about her.
     
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    I have traced Elizabeth and her husband john in all of the censuses now.
    So I have found-with help-3 children of William Richards and Elizabeth Jane Williams.
    Ellen Alice,Harry Miles and Elizabeth Jane.
    Off to see who else I can find.
     
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    Another child baptised on the 25 December 1885 at Manaccan is Amanda . I think that she is written as Lemenda in the 1891 census.
    1911 Elizabeth Perry had 7 children and 1 had died.I wonder which one that is. Address is Dudnace,Illogan,Cornwall.
     
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    I think that Sarah Jane Richards born 1875 died. Cornwallopc has her age 21 at Druids Lodge burial 1896.
    FMP newspaper- Sarah died 21 August 1896 at Illogan Highway age 21.
     
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    I am looking at 2 baptisms that took place in 1887 at St Keverne.
    This time of John Richards that married Eleanor Percy.
    7 Oct 1787 John Richards the son of John Richards and Mary.
    30 Dec 1787 John Richards the son of Robert and Jane.
    The year of baptism fits well with the year of baptism of Eleanor (1789).
    I am thinking that it is most likely John and Mary because the first daughter appears to be named after the mother of Eleanor and I wonder if the 2nd daughter was named after Mary the wife of John also I haven't come across anybody name Robert as yet.
    The first son (my branch)was named John.
     
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    Rather than start yet another Richards post to decided to continue this one.
    This is about daughter Betsey/Betsy who seemed to be a busy person.
    1861 has Betsy living at Church Town Village, Manaccan, Helston with her father John and her sister Ann. There are various grandchildren of John.
    One grand child is called Mary H Williams born 1856 and I wonder if she is in fact Mary Henry William Richards who was baptised 28 September 1856 and mother is Betsy. The address is Church Town,Manacaan where they are living.
    Also in the census is Richard Sampson Richards born 1857 with mother's surname . I can't find a baptism for him to see who is mother is.
    He disappears after that census.
     
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    I have looked BMD and Mary H Williams born 1856 was registered as Mary Henry Williams Richards. Perhaps the Richards surname was left off by accident in the census.
    I suppose it is possible that the middle names could be her father?
    Seeing Richard Sampson Richards born 1857 had the surname Richards, I suppose a clue is with the middle name?
    I think that I have found Richard in the censuses up to 1911. He had left out the letter 's' but born in Manacaan made it a little easier.
    I may purchase the birth certificate to see if he is Eliza or sister Ann's child.
    Richards married Alice Roberts in 1878 but the marriage isn't on Cornwall OPC.
    The marriage certificate won't be ordered.
    With the number of illegitimate children Betsy had I wonder what name she had in her area.
     

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