Looking for JACOB GOTTHIEMER on the 1861 census. One source says he is with his brother AARON living at Waterloo Street, Ironbridge, Madeley, Shropshire. Aaron was a licensed lodging house keeper and married to Ann. Jacob lived with them and was a brickyard labourer aged 17. I can't find the census on FMP !
RG9piece 1858 folio1 page 2 with brother Aaron, mother? Ann age 89, born Poland, Transcribed Gottrember on Ancestry
Maybe Ann's age is transcribed wrongly. She is b Wenlock Shropshire and would be twice Aaarons age if 89. I can't look at the original on my iPad.
FMP have them transcribed as SOUTHER ??? It clearly says Gotthienmer. No wonder I couldn't find them. Thanks Again. Yep the original says she's 89.
Yes thanks Ann. And the article where Jacobs runaway fair moving van ran down and killed a man in town. Can't find anything on when they came to England though.
Have you seen Code: https://www.cartedevisite.co.uk/photographers-category/biographies/g-to-l/the-gotthiemer-brothers/
Not that it helps when they came to England, but have you seen the certificate of UK Naturalisation for Jacob on Ancestry dated 1910. Gives his date and place of birth and parents names.
Yes, thanks Ann, that is where I found the mention the 1861 census. As that is a copyright of 'The Victorian Image Collection' I didn't want to just copy it, I wanted to find it myself.
Having read the naturalisation paper, he says he was born in Inowraolaw in the State of Berlin. Now this was in 1910. Following the Congress of Vienna in 1815, Inowrocław (as first Inowraclaw and later Inowrazlaw) was transferred back to Prussia as part of the Grand Duchy of Posen. Initially, until 1838 the mayors were still Poles, then Germans. After the end of World War I, in November 1918, Poland regained independence and Polish insurgents re-captured the city in January 1919. Restoration to the re-established sovereign Polish state was confirmed in the Treaty of Versailles (which came into effect on January 10, 1920), and the historic name Inowrocław was restored. Not sure why his parents have a different surname to him though. They are as Boas & Eva Gutkind.
Jacob married Sarah Anne Cooke in Sheinton, Shropshire on 4th January 1870. They didn't have any children. Sarah Anne died at 18 Wrekin road, Wellington, on 30th March 1927. Later in 1827 Jacob remarried to Julia Brown in Madeley, Shropshire. Jacob died at 18, Shrewsbury road, Shifnal on 8th May 1928 just 2 days shy of his 83rd birthday. Julia died at 15, High Street, Dawley on 26th April 1940. So where was Julia Gotthiemer in 1939.
I wonder why she reverted to Brown.....Maybe with the war looming having a German name wouldn't be a good idea. Although Jacob was a German Jew, but then the name would be more of a red flag than the fact he was Jewish.
My grandparents, despite my grandma being English, had to register as Aliens in 1939 because my German grandfather had not naturalised. Using her previous name may have avoided this.
Julia is with her daughter and son-in-law. Julia had been married previously to Joseph Brown. Julia had been a Morgan before marriage. Joseph and Julia had a daughter in 1899 and named her Sarah Ann Gotthiemer Brown.
