1911 Census - Missing Persons?

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  1. Rick Aindow

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    A new pair of eyes please! looking for persons in the 1911 census.

    I have Lillian Elsie Tasker b Jan 1878, Bromley Kent. d 1924 West Derby Liverpool.
    John White was born b 07 May 1880 Liverpool
    Lillian and John married 26 Oct 1903, West Derby, Lancashire.
    Marriage certificate states Lillian was living at 1 Field Lane, Litherland. John White was a soldier at the Barracks Seaforth.
    They had a son John (Jack) White b Dec 1904, West Derby.
    Soldier John White died in 1907
    I am looking for the whereabouts of Lillian Elsie White, nee Tasker who would be about 33 in 1911 and her son john (Jack) around 7 years old?
    Lillian went on to marry William Ernest Atkins in Sep 1916, they both lived at 11 Schubert Street, Seaforth
    Thanks
     
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    No luck here I'm afraid. She's in lots of trees on Ancestry and they haven't found her in 1911 either.
     
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    Have been looking and can't find either of them :(
     
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    Thanks
     
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    Thanks
     
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    If anyone can check FMP, there is a Lily White, residence Wandsworth SW London born Bromley Kent age 31 and a John H White age 7 no birth place residence Wandsworth SW London. I can only get the basics from Family Search. Thanks. May be nothing but worth a further investigation.
     
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    1911 England, Wales & Scotland Census Transcription
    Lily White,b. Bromeymarried 4 children 1 still living.
    22 Emmanuel Road Balham S W, Wandsworth Borough, London, England
    servant to
    John Wigley Head Married Male Stage Manager 40 1871 Philadelphia U S A
    RG14PN2282
    ...A John White b. 1903 died in 1911-West Derby, Lancashire
    ............
    Is it known if Lilian married again after John snr's death in 1907?
     
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  8. Rick Aindow

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    Lily married my grandfather in 1916 although she had a child, my aunt in 1914
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    As you do. :)

    I do apologise for
    ofcourse should be 'Lily White,b. Bromley- married'.
    Life was catching up with me just then.
     
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    I just managed to check the FMP 1911 census, she is definitely a candidate, the year and POB are close, I will just have to check if she had any other children that died early and any other marriage although she still kept the married name of White. Still no son John/Jack anywhere
     
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    There was a Lilian White born 2nd quarter 1907, Wandsworth district, 01D 752, mother's maiden name Tasker.

    A little girl, Lily, died Wandsworth in 1909, 3rd quarter - possibly the same child. Age given as '1'.

    Did John Snr die when they were living in Litherland?
     
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    And a death of another poss Lilian age 1, mar q 1909 Wandsworth.
    Also a birth of a Marjorie Elsie in Wandsworth in 1909 mmnTasker. This is after the death of soldier John in 1907 however.
     
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    That sounds more likely, Grizel.
     
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    I've been pondering this .. If Lily in the 1911census is Lilian from Bromley and West Derby we need to find 4 children, one still alive.
    Am off to the dentist though - but this will give me something to think about as he pokes around in my mouth...
     
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    Donl't know why I didn't do this earlier.:-

    Lilian E White
    Date of Registration: Jul-Aug-Sep 1916
    Registration district: West Derby
    Inferred County: Lancashire
    Spouse: William E. Atkins

    Army discharge papers show-wife Lilian Elsie White of 11 Schubert st. Seaforth

    Lilian E Atkins
    Birth Date: abt 1878
    Date of Registration: Jun 1924
    Age at Death: 46
    Registration district: West Derby,Lancashire
    8b-343
     
  16. Rick Aindow

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    Just found your Lily born in Wandsworth, London, I was checking each year from 1905 last night before bed beckoned!
    John Snr died when they were in Liverpool, there was another family in 1911 Census, Litherland, Field Lane, where Lilies sister was living, married to FRYER.
    It seems strange that Lily would move back down south after the death of her husband and not stay with her sister?
     
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    I have this information from the discharge papers and was able to narrow down the time Lily was in Liverpool as my Aunt was born in 1914, 2 years before they married.
    My grandfather's first wife was Margaret Ann GUY who died giving birth to triplets in Oct 1912, 2 of the triplets survived. My grandfather had 3 children under 6 years old at home and so was forced to give the 2 new boys away, Christopher B ATKINS and George R ATKINS. Christopher was taken by the delivering doctor, (the initial B was the doctors surname BAYLOR) Christoher died in 1914 aged just 2.
    The family story was that George was sent to either the USA or Canada? I have no further information on him.
    When my grandfather returned home from the hospital he could not look after his young family and also work so he placed his 2 sons into a care home, keeping is young daughter at home. When he married Lily White (Tasker) in 1916 he was able to get his boys back home again.
     
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    This birth would lend credence to the 1911 census entry for Wandsworth? but still no sign of John!
     
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  19. Bay Horse

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    The Lilian White 1907 birth cert might help a lot.

    Perhaps Lily's sister couldn't afford any more mouths to feed on her husband's wage - and her husband died 1918, so maybe he wasn't in the best of health. Sister Annie's place of birth was given as 'Battersea' so it is likely they still had family there.

    It's also likely that we are looking for a Jack Atkins after 1914, if his mother married again. The death of a John White in West Derby in 1911 was registered before the census so can be ruled out.
     
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    Second cup of coffee on the go. I'm not convinced the boy in the 1911 census is 'our' John White... and looking again at that West Derby death in early 1911. :confused:
     
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