1941 Death at Sea-abbreviation help.

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  1. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Can anyone please help with the abbreviation for this 'rating'? I have looked at all familiar abbreviation lists but it's not coming to me.
    Also the meaning of the number '2' in cause of death.
    He is named the same as his Father who was also a R.N. member.
    Naval rating-death at sea..JPG
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Just a guess as I cant find anything suitable...Able Seaman Leading Temporary
     
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    Not sure about the Able bit as I found that A/ means temporary and as for the number 2...no clue found at all.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Shows how thick I'm becoming. Thanks Sue that sounds about right.
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    Didn't push that button again , did I? :(
     
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    No doubt an expert will come along and let me know I’m way off the mark. But hey ho it sounds good until then.
    Then again. How does Temporay Acting Leading Seaman sound?
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Righto, k.p. duty for me about now.
     
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    Have another look at post #5 you liked before I finished editing
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    One of the following:
    • Killed Died of injuries or exposure
    • Died of disease following injuries or exposure
    • Drowned
    • Missing and subsequently presumed killed or drowned following the accidental loss of a ship (wreck, collision, internal explosion, etc.) or where the actual cause of a vessel’s loss is not known
    • Accidental deaths (killed, drowned, etc.)
    • Deaths due to injuries or disease following injuries accidentally sustained.
    Taken from this article:
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    https://www.nrscotland.gov.uk/files//research/minor-records/minor-records-catalogue-appendix-4.pdf
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Thank you Jan, that is what I've been looking for- without success.
    It answers the query well, could have been any of those as the "Achates" :-
    In July 1941, while taking position in the screen of carriers preparing for the air strike against Kirkenes/Petsamo, Achates was mined and severely damaged, but managed to make port for repairs.

    I would expect there to have been injuries or worse to those on board.
     
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    Acting Leading Seaman (Temporary)

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    https://www.nmrn.org.uk/research/service-record-abbreviations
     
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    He appears on this page>

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    http://www.naval-history.net/xDKCasAlpha1939-45Pe.htm
    It says he died from 'mining' but this term is a bit vague compared to the others on this page. From another page on this site, MPK apparently stands for 'missing presumed killed'. It may have been some type of accident while the ship was mining as it doesn't say the ship was lost at the time.
     
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    His decoration (Distinguished Service Medal (that's a serious award for bravery)) was awarded some months before he was killed and is listed in The London Gazette.
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    https://www.thegazette.co.uk/London/issue/35029/supplement/27
    (In the left hand column run your eye down until you see Able Seamen listed).

    PS I missed your explanation of mining in post 9 - sorry!
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Excellent result again Flook, thank you very much -plus all of those 'Phillips' men. I'll be checking my lists again.
    I hadn't looked at the London Gazette for quite a while, there are a few changes

    Compared to mentions of Infantry we just don't see the same for Naval personnel lost during wars. :(
     

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