2 brothers died Gallipoli

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    Im trying to help a friend find information about 2 uncles who were killed in action at Gallipoli,
    They were brothers, Leslie & Stanley Albert who came from Melbourne ,Victoria, Ive been searching for hours & can find nothing on any of the sites, unfortunatly the names are the only information she has, she doesnt know any middle names or dates of birth, can anyone find anything on these 2 boys.
     
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    Found Stanley Alberts on National Archives. Born Bathurst enlisted Liverpool but can't find them on AWM yet. Yet, as I have only had a quick look but Stanley's records are on National Archives.
    Sorry to tell you this but he deserted after 6 months service and had a warrant out after him.
    Nothing else on the record.
     
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    Every soldier killed at Gallipoli are named on the Spirits of Gallipoli site. There is no one by the surname Albert(s). Sorry.
     
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    The only one close to Leslie is Leslie Alberts born 1918 enlisted 1936 father S Alberts born Healesville, Vic.......hmmmmm
     
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    Strange.....no birth record for Stanley who says he was born Bathurst.......hmmmm
     
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    On the WWI Nominal Roll there are 14 with surname ALBERT and 1 surname Alberts but no Lesley or Stanley. Alongside each name is the date of enlistment (I imagine) and whether Killed in Action (KIA) or Returned to Australia (RTA) and the date.

    On the Roll of Honour (those who died in action or as a direct result) there are 3x ALBERT and 1x ALBERTZ but again no Lesley or Stanley.

    Sorry from me too.
     
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    Does she know the names of the parents? if so I have the Vic indexes on CD and may be able to find years of birth.
     
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    Thank you for looking Archies mum, ive looked at so many sites today but the archives site brought up everyone with a name Albert, Stanley or Leslie in any order, ive found Stanley now, the warrant for his apprehension was withdrawn but no mention of why, if this is the right man & he just dissappeared after he deserted its possible a death at Gallipoli was just a story to cover it, but what happened to brother Leslie, may be he never enlisted just dissappeared too. The spirits of Gallipoli site ive never seen before, ive got it bookmarked now.
     
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    Spirits of Gallipoli is great isn't it.
    There are two Alberts that are interesting on the roll of Honour.
    Allan Albert KIA France 1916 and John Reuben Albert died 1919 Austin Hospital. They both have an association with Jung, Victoria but I haven't looked at their records.
     
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    Thank you for looking Philippa,
    Doug im waiting for her to get back to me on her fathers full name but her grandparents were Samuel & Harriet, so Stanley & Leslie would have been siblings to Samuel.
    Archies mum I did see those from Jung, which looks on the map to be rural, They are brothers & british subjects.
     
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    Have checked the birth indexes from 1836 - 1901 and no likely candidates. it is possible that even though they "came" from Victoria they were born elsewhere including the U.K.

    EDIT - have now also checked from 1902 - 1913.

    I am wondering if she has an incorrect surname?
     
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    If she knows the names of Samuel's parents I can do a search using that data.
     
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    Doug she does not know the names of Samuels parents but the Albert name is correct, her father was Leslie Albert born 8th August 1918,
     
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    Then that's the Leslie who enlisted in 1939 from Healsville.
    I'm now wondering if the two Alberts from Jung are these two brothers you are after but known by different names. Will check records of them.
    No luck there. John Reuben's father was Neil Albert
     
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    Found this in the Victorian indexes:

    Leslie ALBERT born Harrietville, Victoria, 1918 Number 20258 to Saml Richard ALBERT & Hart Annie ALFD. Found a brother to Leslie (Stanley George) born Yarra Glen 1915 to Saml Richard ALBERT & Harriett Annie AYRES

    Marriage Saml Richd ALBERT & Hart Annie AYRES in Victoria 1899 number 1914

    Birth Samuel Richard ALBERT Queenstown in Victoria 1874 number 11318 to William ALBERT & Mary SMITH - obviously this may not be the same chap but I feel highly likely.

    William ALBERT & Mary SMITH appear to have had the following children (first number is year second number Ref Number):

    William Henry, 1865/17940
    Alice Jemima, 1868/4849
    Rose Florence, 1870/25540
    Sarah Ann, 1872/11333
    Samuel Richard, 1874/11318
    Louisa Georgene, 1876/18382
    Thomas James, 1878/18276
    Mary Amelia, 1880/18086
    Victor John Edwi, 1883/18912
    Arthur, 1885/5303

    No Stanley or Leslie.
     
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    Harriet Anna AYRES born Horsham, Victoria 1880 Number 16422 to Robt AYRES & Elizth CLARK.

    I suspect these are who we are looking for born to above:

    Leslie Edward AYRES born Yarra Glen, 1897/32413
    Stanley Richd AYRES born Yarra Flats, 1895/25787

    CWGC has:

    AYRES Stanley, Private, Number 3452, died 10/8/1918
    AYRES Leslie Edward, private, Number 204, died 2/1/1917
     
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    Good find, Doug. ;)
     
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    They each have a page in this document devoted to those from the Yarra Glen district who died in the First World War:

    www.
    ozsportshistory.com/wardeaths/WW1%20-%20Yarra%20Glen.pdf
     
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    Well found Jane. And the page for Stanley includes a reference to his sister Mrs. S. Alberts.

    And of course their service records are available at the Australian National Archives.
     
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