A missing Convict in Australia.

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  1. The Artful Dodger

    The Artful Dodger R.I.P.

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    I'm still alive and kicking up the snow on my Nixon's.

    Welcome in foxstorm and I am more than willing to share with you any details of Samuel as well as his 8 siblings as well as his parents Mary Rowledge and William Nixon.

    Like you, I have always wondered about the length of time between his marriage to Ellen Connor and the birth of James in 1839. Your theory about an undocumented child born c. 1834 named Thomas makes lot of sense.
     
  2. foxstorm

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    Thank you for the warm welcomes!

    My ancestry entry for Thomas John Nixon is
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    https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/116739630/person/280157613481/facts
    with some source documents, including link to death certificate with father's name SAMUEL.

    There's nothing in NSW BDM that I can find relating to his birth. The only thing I have is that gaol entrance that says Thomas Nixon was born in colony 1834, native of Parrmatta
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    https://www.ancestry.com.au/interactive/1783/41491_329449-00070/909025?backurl=https://www.ancestry.com.au/family-tree/person/tree/116739630/person/280157613481/facts/citation/862237327841/edit/record
    But where is that birth record?!

    And I am supposing it was feasible that Thomas married Eliza Belgrove Moxon on his release in 1858. The Moxons were well established in the Bathurst area, and there were convicts among the the Moxons (see
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    ) - so the families could have already had connections.

    Failing that, there is an immigrant Thomas Nixon whose birth date is c1834 but entered the colony via Melbourne. This Thomas's occupation is "Joiner". I have not yet traced back who this ones father is... hopefully not another Samuel.

    Thomas John Nixon is listed on my great grandmother Constance Nixon's marriage registration:
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    - occupation "Contractor" (I think?).

    They were known for the building work and were involved in some major building projects in Bathurst -- this could be a skill that Thomas John picked up in Parramatta Goal doing his 2 years hard labour, or there's the migrant "Joiner" who entered via Melbourne, which is a reason I found that particular record a little interesting.

    Ben
     
  3. Archie's Mum

    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    I have just noticed something on NSWBDM. Thomas Nixon birth registration 525/1839 gives his parents as Thomas and Frances Nixon but Thomas wasnt with Frances (Foley/Elizabeth Johnson) Samuel was. Could this be an error on the part of the informant?
    Maybe this is the missing Thomas, age out a bit at death. Thomas J Nixon 71/1907 would make an age of 68. Father Samuel.
    Nice avatar @foxstorm. Hope that train was stationary :eek:
     
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    After perusing my notes and reviewing my Nixon line, I am inclined to agree with you about Thomas John being the undocumented son of Samuel and Ellen.

    Samuel was "quite the lad" in that he started "relationship" with Frances Elizabeth Johnson sometime in 1823/4 when she gave birth to a daughter Louisa. At that particular time Frances was married to a convict John Foley but appears no children were born. I don't believe that she ever divorced John and that her relationship with Samuel ultimately caused Samuel's Ticket of Leave to be revoked. I presume that Samuel spent some time apart from Frances and she had another child in 1832. Frances was now aged 34 and her children were:
    Louisa 1824
    Samuel George 1826
    William 1829
    Mary Ann 1832.

    Samuel then took up with Ellen Connor an Irish convict who arrived 9 March 1833. Ellen was born 1813 and baptised 3 September 1812. Permission to marry Samuel was granted 13 June 1834 in Parramatta and they married 15 July 1834.
    In addition to the possible son Thomas John they had the following children:
    James - born 29 June 1839 died 25 December 1841
    Ellen - born 5 April 1841
    Jane - born 1843
    John Henry - born 21 April 1845
    Harriet - born 29 March 1847 died 7 June 1848
    Henrietta - born 1847
    Ellen was killed 1 January 1849. I have details of her death.
     
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    Sorry I have been absent. It's been quite a big year for me. And sorry for breaking the forum rules about including those links above, etc.. I was just being a bit enthusiastic.

    Some exciting news!

    I have been DNA-matched to a descendent of Jane Nixon (documented child of Samuel Nixon / Ellen Connor). This helps my theory my 2nd great grandfather, Thomas John Nixon is an undocumented child of Samuel Nixon, named by Samuel in honour of his own younger brother, Thomas Nixon.

    As discussed earlier there is a NSW BDM birth cert 525/1839 V1839525 133 shows a Thomas Nixon was born to father "Thomas" and mother "Francis", but this is probably wrong, and should likely be Samuel and Francis. Thomas John Nixon's NSW BDM death cert 71/1907 shows the father as SAMUEL, but no mothers name given.

    I'm going to try to trace down more DNA matches to compare myself with other descendants of Francis and Ellen. Both lines should have some DNA match, but one side stronger than the other.
     
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    Yes! I found the age difference of 5 years at death is a little uncomfortable to deal with, but my newly discovered DNA matching certainly gives weight to this theory.

    Maybe Thomas lied about his age, otherwise he would have been 2 years younger than his bride Eliza Moxon when they married, and that might not have been the cool thing to do in those days???

    (PS - yes the train was stationary. I had just put it to sleep for the night.)
     
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    DNA lines proving the case for Thomas John Nixon. Ellen and Jane were children of Samuel and Ellen Connor. Still hoping to match with a different descendent of Frances Elizabeth to compare relative strengths.

    Screenshot from 2020-08-07 12-26-37.png Screenshot from 2020-08-07 12-28-26.png
     
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    There are also matches to Samuel's siblings.

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  9. Bellaquattro

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    Hi,
    Newbie here can I please join in this conversation re Thomas and Samuel Nixon
    Cheers
    Bellaquattro
     
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  10. Archie's Mum

    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Great to have you but our original poster is sadly no longer with us. If we could be of help to you please ask away or let us into anything else we should know. They were a great family to research.
     
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