A Prussian medal?

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    I have stumbled across a rather large medal and am trying to establish what it is, what it was for and when it was produced.

    It measures 2 and a half inches (62mm) in diameter, is 3/10 of an inch (4mm) thick and is rather heavy.

    Medal 1.jpg Medal 2.jpg

    These photos are not terribly good but I can upload full size if needed.

    On one side, it has the figure of a woman pushing a not very happy person with her feet away from herself. There is an obelisk with the double eagle on the top and also a theodolite on a stand. In the distance, two surveyors are at work. Underneath is the inscription: POSITI A GRES LIMITES – D. XIII. MAY. - MDCCLIX

    On the other side is a picture of a woman, who is (I presume) the woman referred to in the inscription around the edge: D. G. ELISABETA AVGVSTA. OMN. ROSS.

    I take this to be Elizabeth Augusta but who she was is anyone's guess.

    From what I have worked out so far is that there were land disputes in Prussia, part of which is today's Germany (my geography is non-existent for this part of the world...) and it marks when the disputes were resolved on 13th May 1759. I think.....

    If anyone could shed any further light on this, I would be grateful. :)
     
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    There is one on worthpoint.com for sale....eBay. Nothing that explains what it is though.
    Google books has something on her but it won’t translate for me. She was the wife of someone......
    Ooooo...The Dashkov medals came up when I was searching but can’t find a reference to her.
    She is releasing women from prison apparently
     
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    I think it is this
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    https://www.ma-shops.co.uk/wallinmynt/item.php?id=9501
     
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    Not that one, I'm afraid... :(
     
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    Oh blow :sceptical:
     
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    I have just had another look at this - not very clear and my eyesight could be better :rolleyes: - but it could also be MDCCLIV - 1754

    I did type IV in error in my original post but have now changed it.

    In fact, looking through my magnifier, I am more inclined to think that is is IV - so 1754. Sorry.... :oops:
     
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    by the Grace of God Elizabeth, All Russian Empress.......medal on the construction of docks in Kronstadt. On one side is the portrait of Elizabeth and an inscription of the above in Latin. DG Elisabeth Augusta OMN ROSS. This medal celebrates the construction of the dock.....Petrovsky dock 265 years.
    Add...not your medal but another with her mentioned.
     
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    OK, well it must be this one - but it doesn't help :sceptical:
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    https://www.the-saleroom.com/en-gb/auction-catalogues/mctears/catalogue-id-2801025/lot-9694814
     
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    Who? Elisabet Augusta? Where was this, please? :)
     
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    I would give the link but I don't think it is safe....I pulled out.
    Just have a google of Petrovsky dock 265 years and see what pops up.
     
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    Yes. Elisabet but I forget where I found the description on the medal...Ill have another look.
     
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    One side certainly looks like that @AnnB :) Just the other side being all agricultural. Handy to know that it could have been made in the 19th century, though. ;) Not bronze, but could be a silvered lead type metal.
     
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    Code:
    http://www.archives.lib.ed.ac.uk/catalogue/docs/H21.pdf
    Hope this is the correct one.
    Lots of Russian medals described. You have to scroll down a fair way.
     
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    Yay! You little cracker! Thank you!

    It's this one:

    DM/55 Elizabeth I of Russia and the agricultural reform Agricultural reform. Obverse: bust of Empress Elizaveta Petrovna of Russia. Legend: D. G. ELISABETA. AUGUSTA. OMN. ROSS. Reverse: a woman is standing and holding a stick with her left hand; her right foot is pushing a naked woman who is crawling and holding a snake with her left hand; the naked woman is looking at a mask on the ground. On the right there is a commemorative monument. On the left two men are fighting with sticks. Legend: LITEM VT DISCERNERET ARVIS. Exergue: POSITI AGRIS LIMITES D. XIII. MAV. MDCCLIV. Dated 1754. 64 mm copper Language: Latin

    Thank you! :D
     
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    Not the one I found but yay.....great to have been of help.
     
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    There was one that came up for sale in New York in 2015 (in good condition) it sold for $400


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    Elizabeth, 1741-1761
    Medals of Elizabeth
    Medal. Bronze. 65 mm. By Timofey Ivanov. Cessation of the Land Border Disputes, 1754. Diakov 99.2. Crowned and mantled bust of Elizabeth r. / Justice, holding a linear measure, kicks the rump of Discord who lies on the ground before her, a tapered monument behind, two peasants measuring land open to dispute to the left.
     
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    Lovely clear picture, @Chimp Thank you. :)

    Those are the images but I think the one that I have is made out of some base metal or other. ;)
     
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    More like this one. (I can't seem to find what it is made from)
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    Yup! You got it! :D
     
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    Elizabeth Petrovna was the daughter of Peter the Great.....wiki
     

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