Abraham Bunting

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  1. bettyespana

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    I cannot find Abraham Bunting(joiner) deceased named on the marriage cert of his son Thomas on 19.May 1861. 8D 633.I have only ever found 1 Abraham Bunting & he was a collier from Yorkshire & didn't fit.
    Thomas Bunting was b.c.1841 & died of Apoplexy in Manchester26.11.1867.
    I also cannot find Thomas in either the 1851c or1861c & don't know who his mother was.
    Sometime in the past I saw a very bad copy of births which had a Thomas Bunting with a twin sister in Stockport but it was quite obscure.
    One hint as to where the Buntings came from maybe that Thomas's son William Thomas B served for 3yrs in the Argyle & Sutherland Highlanders.I am thinking would he have to have Scottish roots to be in that regiment.
    Any help to knock this brick wall down please.
    Betty
     
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    There is a birth recorded for a Thomas Bunting in the Stockport registration district in the September quarter of 1841 (19, 292) but there is no guarantee that it is the right one. Also, in that same quarter is the birth registration of a Jane Elizabeth Bunting, who could be that obscure twin. Worth getting?
     
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    Thank you for the info,I don't buy certs now because our postal service here in Spain has let me down so many times.Thomas was my hubby,s granddad & I do have his marriage cert.
    It's Abraham Bunting who is the sticking point & I can,t get any further back in this family.

    Betty
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Using the GRO index both of these children have a mother's maiden name of Hallis:)
     
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    Well that may get me a bit further,thank you for this.
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    This may confuse things more - the death of Jane Elizabeth Bunting is recorded
    September qtr 1842 age 8 (months?) Faversham 5 -112
    So from a birth reg in Stockport to a death reg in Kent
     
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    My goodness that really does make things confusing and where would her brother Thomas be found.As I said previously I couldn,t find him in the 1851 or 1861 censuses.
     
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    I cannot find a likely Thomas (or Abraham) on any census, nor a death for Abraham - no results for Abraham on Scotlandspeople.
    As he married barely a month after the 1861 so you would think he was lurking somewhere.
    Have you found his bride in 1861?
    What was Thomas's occupation on his marriage cert?
     
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    Yes,MollyMay, I have a copy of the marriage cert.8D633.
    Thomas Bunting(iron dresser) to Margaret Connor.
    Married: 19 5.1861 @ StMary's Catholic Chapel,Manchester
    Thomas died @ 7 Watson Street,Hulme,Manchester 26.11.1867
    When he died his widow was carrying her 4th child.
    Margaret re-married in 1878
     
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    Thanks Betty - I kept finding Thomas Buntings who were shoemakers, so I can eliminate them now.
     
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    Sorry Molly I should have stated his occupation on my 1st post.
    Going off where he married in Manchester, & Hulme where he worked & died
    & the fact it is not that far from Stockport where he may have been born,I wouldn't have thought he would have ventured too far.
     
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    I have tried 1861 with just Thomas, 1841 +/- 5 years and iron dresser and still cannot find anything that looks like him, in fact the only Thomas (iron dresser) in Manchester is a Thomas Hack.
    A lot of the 1851 census for Manchester was damaged so that could account for why he cannot be found then.
    I have rechecked the GRO index, Thomas and Jane Elizabeth are the only 2 Bunting births with the mmn Hallis:(
     
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    I have 2 thoughts on this
    1st.: I wonder if Thomas just gave a made up name for his father if he was illgt.
    2nd:Thomas had 4 children,Mary Ann b.1862,William Thomas b 1863(my hubby's Grandad) Alexander 1865-74 & Thomas who was born PH 1868 & died 1869.
    I wonder if Thomas' father was not Abraham but Alexander as they had a habit of using family names in those days.:confused:
     
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    We can discount the death of Jane Elizabeth in Faversham, I have found her birth there with mmn Shepherd (coincidentally she too was a twin, both died).

    So now I cannot find a death for the Jane Elizabeth born Stockport:(

    If the birth reg. in Stockport is your Thomas then he was not illegitimate, as there is a mmn given. There is always a chance that the name was incorrectly entered on the m/c, shame we cannot find a baptism for him.
     
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    There does seem to be a family with mmn Hallas (note spelling), parents Robert and Caroline - maybe worth looking at?
    In 1851 HO107 p2154 f523 p8 Robert and Caroline Buntin with chn b Derbyshire and Cheshire, from 1836 - 1849 but no Thomas orJane E.
    In 1861 RG09 p2558 f46 p15 Caroline a widow, sev children b Glossop or Stockport. Again no Thomas or Jane Elizabeth, but a gap where they should be.

    Of course may not be the family of Thomas b Stockport 1841.
     
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    I wonder if Abraham was his step father, married or not, and surname not Bunting at all.
     
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    A Jane Elizabeth Bunting married a Charles Ashby at Manchester cathedral in 1869.
     
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    Wrong Jane E . This one born Brighouse 1845 I think and moved to Leicestershire after marriage.
     
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    Hi Betty,
    There are a few family trees for Thomas Bunting on A...try - is one of them yours?
    Also, there is an entry for an Abraham Bunting with parents William & Elisabeth, could this be a possibility as quite a lot of the time they named the child after the grandfather - hence Thomas naming one of his children William after his grandad- just a thought that's all:rolleyes:
     
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    Sorry ignore that - I've gone crackers ( no change there then) :D:D:D
    The birth for this Abraham is too late (1831) for him to have a child in 1841/2:rolleyes:
     
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