Abraham Manners

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  1. MollyMay

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    Abraham Manners is one of my eternal brickwalls. I have all of his life and family sorted but it is his ancestry that I have nothing on. Early on he was a merchant seaman then labourer until he accidentally drowned in The Thames 1854.

    Abraham and his twin brother William were born 3/7/1808. On 12/9/1813 the pair were baptised at St Alphage to Mary Manners single woman of Brewhouse Yard - Deptford Kent. I have never, with any certainty, found William or Mary after this date, but Abraham is not the normal name you would give to child, so I have gone down the line of thinking it might have been a family name (yes it could be his fathers too, but this is how desperate I have become).
    Really clutching at straws now but FMP has the banns of a marriage at Canterbury St Paul, 1814 for Abraham Manners and Ann Brees. There is no marriage entry just the banns. This Abraham just could be a brother to my Mary. Does anyone know where to look for Kent marriages of this time period, of course the couple are not on the 1841 census!

    To save any duplication I have posted on Abraham before - this is the link
    https://genealogy-specialists.com/threads/need-help-with-my-manners.10010/#post-150439

    As ever, any thoughts/help gratefully recieved
     
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    I think that they deferred the marriage for a couple of years. ;)

    If you look on FMP under Ann BREES, Marriage in Kent for 1816, one pops up.

    The original has Abraham overwritten with what looks like Abel but the surname is MANNERS.
     
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    Thanks Jan, he signs Abel, so not an Abraham after all:(. One of the witnesses is Mary Ann Manners, and she signs but I do not think my Mary was a Mary Ann. He marries again in 1835, as Able, and I have him and that wife in 1841 and in 1851 as a widower. He is born in county in1841 but born Sussex in 1851.

    Ah well it was worth checking:reading:
     
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    Back to the drawing biard... :headbang:
     
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    Back in the 'doesn't want to be found' folder :D
     
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  7. Sis

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    You could try here. But you have to browse them.

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    http://medway.adlibhosting.com/
     
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    I asked on the KFHS site, but no mention of 'Manners' -which may only mean that no-one is searching for him there.
     
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    Many Thanks @Sis, will have a browse, I might trip over my missing Dunns from Northfleet (with an enormous stroke of luck:))

    Thanks for looking too @Ma-dotcom
     
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    I don't know if you already have this information MollyMay, but Ancestry have mention of an Abraham MANNERS in their "Dreadnought Seamans Hospital Admissions & Discharges" records. He entered the hospital on 3 May 1830 with what looks to be a Fever and was discharged on 8 May 1830, Fisherman, aged 21, 5' 4" tall, born Greenwich, sailed out of Deptford, 9 years service, last service on board the "Elizabeth". FMP also have a couple of Merchant Seaman records for him in 1841 & 1845.

    No clues as to Abraham's ancestry on his marriage at St George in the East (image on Ancestry) on 21 September 1834 between Abraham MANNERS, bachelor, of this parish, & Elizabeth MORTON, spinster, of this parish. Both marked as did the witnesses one of whom was a Charlotte MORTON.

    Don't know if this could be relevant at all, but FMP have an entry for a William MANNER in the Dartford Union Workhouse dated 9 March 1841 - just a transcript unfortunately. Ancestry have 3 London Workhouse records for a William MANNERS/MANNARD born c 1810/1808.

    They do seem to be very elusive, don't they!!

    Janet
     
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    Thank you Janet, yes I have seen and noted those seaman records for Abraham. I have his life pretty well sorted apart form the 1841 census, when I cannot find him, but he was probably at sea at the time as I have the rest of the family. I will check out the William workhouse entry though, shame William Manners (and can they mangle that surname:rolleyes:) is a quite common name. I am just pleased my direct line was Abraham, much easier to find:nailbiting:
     

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