Adam Cater

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    I was trying to tidy up the tree, using the GRO Birth Index looking for the maiden names of wives where I hadn't been able to find a marriage (or had forgotten to look for it :rolleyes:... distractions are everywhere)

    Looking for the second wife of Adam John Cater [1830 Grantham-1894 Leicester], discovered she was Martha Cater, they never married. Struggling to identify her, I only have her in the 1881 census in Leicester, which says she was born Stratford, Essex in 1855.

    The best I can come up with is Louisa Martha Cheater, born West Ham Mar 1857.

    Adam John Cater, musical instrument maker, had one family in Mile End/Bethnal Green, with Sophia Main:
    Adam William 1850-1851
    Harriet Sophia 1853-1906
    Adam John 1855-1907
    George Henry 1857-1919​

    He then turns up in Leicester, with Martha, a much younger new 'wife' (though old wife is alive and well) and semi-repeats his naming patterns;
    Adam 1873-
    Ada Jane 1875-
    George Henry 1876-
    Mary Ann Eliza 1879-
    Edward 1885-
    Albert 1887-​

    (still working on the second family; the first family are proving difficult to find in censuses; why am I working on such difficult people :sceptical:)

    Questions for now:
    1. Louisa Martha Cheater, is she Martha Cater, what happens to her after 1881?
    2. Did Adam (1873) die in the Boer War; he was a young infantryman in 1891, married Lizzie Cartwright in 1894, had two children Maud (1895-1895) and Adam (1895-1968). Lizzie remarried (as Elizabeth) in 1902, I can't find a death for Adam in the UK.
     
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    Aha, went back to Sophia Main, found in 1871 in Mile End Old Town, married dressmaker. Additional daughter Mary Ann :rolleyes:c1863
     
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    Oh My, I started looking at Harriet Sophia Cater, she's my main interest in this family. Totally forgot she married into an immigrant Dutch family, called de Jongh van Arkel, who married into a family called Just de la Paisieres.

    Just imagine the transcription/spelling errors :headbang:, it's fine when they are Englished to Young and Just, but I never know which name to look under ... Arkel, van Arkel, Vanarkel, Jongh, Jongh van Arkel, Joyngh, etc o_O
     
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    Looking at Adam's service records, he appears to have reached the rank of Orderly Sergeant, but whilst in Alexandria he was court martialled for drunkenness and reduced to the ranks on the 10.4.1900. Sadly he died in Egypt of enteric fever in December of the same year :(
     
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    in 1871 census I found an Adam Cater a musician from Grantam with a wife !Elizabeth a shoe fitter from Hackney living in Leicestershire
    Now is she another or is it Martha ages are him 39 her 29
     
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    she may be another :confused:

    I can't tie son Edward 1885 with Sophia or Martha, it may be his birth wasnt registered or it's under another name, then again Elizabeth may be the answer ... o_O
     
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    I see on 1st George Henrys marriage to Emily Blackhurst in 1879 it looks like an A J Cater was a witness may not be Adam of course could be his brother who married in 1882 to Annie Richardson and it was George Henry and Sophie that were his witnesses
     
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    I see his name on atree in Ancestry is
    Zegerus Theadorus deJongh vanArkel Young 1849 - 1926
    no Wonder translations could be fun!!
     
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    :( I may just file these families away again, had enough of going in circles for now
     
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    gets you like that sometimes :headbang: and:nailbiting:
    make another list of what you need and will have another go tomorrow
     
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    Am being gentle with myself and investigating Adam John's siblings

    Can someone find a 1841 census in Great Gonersby, Lincs. there is an Edward Brobson, age 1 with his mother, transcribed as Ternan, is it by any chance Jemima?
     
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    Yes :)
     
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    Here's a snip
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    thanks ;)
     
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    You can see why he became known as Edward Theodore Young, can't you? ;)

    Btw I took a peek at the de Jongh van Arkel family, and I did quite well with the first generation who emigrated, except for Cornelis Anne Jacobus, b 10 apr 1855 in Holland, last seen in Hackney [as Cornelio de Jongh] in 1881 ... anyone fancy a go? I am all out of ideas ...
     
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    my brain hurts now you thonk a name like that would be easy but a male with a name of Anne! and people who change names or use what they feel like( have a lot of my hubbies that do that) :confused::nailbiting: guess what I am doing is giving excuses for not finding anything:D
     
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    Willem Just de la Paisieres, or William Just (1869 Holland-1927 Hackney), maried Alice Cooper (1866 Hoxton-1912 Ilford) in Dec 1890, from what I can see by 1899 she was admitted to a Mental Hospital in Ilford, where she died.

    If anyone is willing to take a look and summarise the particulars, I am getting the following Ancestry hints:

    London, England, Selected Poor Law Removal and Settlement Records, 1698-1930
    Court, Land, Wills & Financial
    Name Alice Just
    Residence
    Hackney

    UK, Lunacy Patients Admission Registers, 1846-1912
    Court, Land, Wills & Financial
    Name Alice Just
    Death
    22/04/1912 Essex England
    Civil
    30/12/1899 Essex England


    London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930
    Schools, Directories & Church Histories
    Name Alice Just
    Birth
    1865
     

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