Ann Vincent

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  1. mugwortismy cat

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    is my 5x great grandmother

    8 Apr 1822 she married Joseph (or Josiah) Bagg in Sydling St Nicholas

    the 1841 Piddletrenthide census gives her yob as 1801
    the 1851 Affpuddle census gives yob 1799, pob Piddletr[ent]ide (at least that is how I intrepreted it)
    the 1861 Piddletrenthide census yob 1799, pob Alton [Pancras]
    the 1871 Piddletrenthide census yob 1799, pob Alton Pancras
    her death/burial in 1874 gives yob 1798

    [Alton Pancras is ~2 m north of Piddletrenthide, which is ~ 5 1/2 m east of Sydling, so we are talking about quite a small area of movement]

    I cannot find her baptism

    I had a (little) argument with a cousin that it was very unlikely to be the Ann Vincent baptised in 1799 in a place 30 miles from Alton Pancras, don't think they are talking to me anymore

    I do have a theory, but it doubtless has flaws ---

    there is a couple, Jacob and Sarah Vincent, that can be placed in all three localities, Piddlehinton [just under 2m south of Piddletrenthide], Alton Pancras & Sydling St Nicholas

    They baptised the following children:
    Apr 1793 Piddlehinton - William
    Jun 1795 Piddlehinton - Thomas
    Oct 1797 Alton Pancras - Elizabeth
    Dec 1799 Alton Pancras - Sarah
    May 1802 Alton Pancras - John
    Nov 1811 Sydling - Susannah Lewis

    Admittedly, there is not much room to squeeze in Ann -- but this is the best idea I have. Does it hold water? or can one of you do better?

    Coincidentally, if you look up the image of the marriage on Ancestry, on the same page on 24 Jun 1821 is the marriage of Joseph White and Sarah Bridle -- Sarah is another 5x great grandmother and another dead end ....
     
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    My first thought - have you traced Sarah born 1799? Could she and Ann be the same person?
     
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    Londoner Will always roll up her sleeves and dig around

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    Did Ann and Joseph have any children with names that might fit a pattern? Only circumstantial, I know, but might be an indicator.
     
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    Thanks MollyMay :)

    it's a good thought, I thought the same last night after I typed the above ... I haven't, no. I've had this theory a number of years but after I presented it to my cousin and got no response I put it aside, not sure that it wasn't complete wishful thinking :rolleyes:
     
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    Hi Londoner:)

    Unfortunately, they didn't name any child Jacob or Sarah:( -- they had William, James, John, Mary [his mother's name -- she's another brick wall], Elizabeth, George, Charles --- all pretty standard names
     
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    A Sarah Vincent b 1799, buried 8 Dec 1811 in Sydling St Nicholas :(
     
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    Botherations! :(
     
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    FMP has three Ann(e) Vincents born 1799 +/- 2 years Dorset (sorry do not know the area to be able discount any on distance)

    Ann Grace d/o James and Love 20/2/1799 in Corfe Castle
    Anne d/o Robert and Jane 9/4/1799 Puncknowle
    Anne d/o Richard and Dinah 10/5/1801 Stinsford

    Increase to +/- 5 years gives
    Ann d/o George and Rebecca 23/6/1794 Dewlish
    Ann d/o Robert and Mary 6/4/1803 Milton Abbas
    Mary Ann d/o George and Rose 1/11/1794 Dewlish

    I expect you have already seen them, but just in case any have slipped through:rolleyes:
     
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    Stinsford, Dewlish, Milton Abbas are ~8-10 miles from Alton Pancras
    Puncknowle ~20 by very windy indirect roads, though a bit closer as the crow flies
    Much as I like the idea of James and Love I think we can rule out Corfe

    Problem is none of these pairs of parents turn up in the names of Ann's children [nor did Jacob & Sarah either]

    I suppose the only thing left to do is to trace these 6 Ann(e)s to definitely rule them out; I did do that in a half-hearted unsystematic manner some time ago, and didn't keep notes :(

    I could always hope for a will left by Jacob naming all his children inc. Ann ...
     
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    There are several trees on Ancestry with Jacob and Sarah (all or most, I suspect cobbled from each other :rolleyes:) but none of them have a daughter names Ann. However, there are trees with an Ann, born 1799 in Piddletrenthide (don't you just love those Dorset place names) to a Robert Vincent and Jane nee Hardy - one of the options you have already found. This Ann is claimed to have married Joseph Bagg. You have probably seen all that, but I thought it worth mentioning - just in case :cool:

    Ann
     
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    I wonder if this is Muggy's cousins tree?
    Robert Vincent married Jane Hardy in Puncknowle - where they baptise Ann.
     
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    Robert and Jane baptise children before and after Ann in Puncknowle, with no sign of them baptising more children in the Piddletrenton/Alton Pancras area.
     
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    Yes, I believe that was my argument with my cousin :confused:
     
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    Well, there you go - have all the other bods copied your cousin Muggy, or has she done a bit of pinching ;)

    Ann
     
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    Of course there is an Ann Vincent baptised in Sydling

    Name:
    Ann Vincent
    Mother: Elizabeth Vincent
    Father: John Vincent
    Baptism: 24 Nov 1793 - Sydling St Nicholas

    Could this be my Ann staring me in the face?o_O

    of course, she would then have been extremely consistent with a lie about her age for 30+ years ...:rolleyes:
     
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    You are bound to have been here & done all this but :
    http://www.opcdorset.org/PiddleFiles/Piddletrenthide/PiddletrenthideBaps.htm

    1789 Ann child of Jas. & Elizabeth VINCENT was baptised Nov-14
    1793 Ann Vincent 24 Nov. John & Elizabeth Vincent Sydling, Dorset, England
    1804 Mary Ann child of Thomas & Ann OLD was baptised Feb-12
    most would mean Ann wasn't too sure of her birth date.

    What a pity it isn't Ann daughter of John & Elizabeth AKERMAN 8 September 1799-Alton Pancras.whom you are looking for, 'cause I found her. Don't suppose her Mother remarried did she?
    I had a good page of these yesterday & for some reason didn't post, probably didn't seem likely enough, Evidently didn't save it either. Not planning too well lately.
    Lots of Sarah Bridles to choose from also.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Why not
    Why not?. I picked her too. sometimes the simple way is the way to go.:)
     
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