Anna Maria Brewer and Henry Elliott

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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    this couple are 1st and 4th cousins apparently -- I'll have to draw a chart to find out how -- but this is just a small example of my troubles disentangling the Elliotts of Beaminster, Dorset

    so, they are also husband and wife, marrying in Chard, Somerset on 31 Dec 1876 (FamilySearch will tell you that it was Charlton Mackrell, but I have no reason to believe them, and in tracing Anna Maria and her family it has become apparent that FS can't tell Chard and Charlton Mackrell apart :eek:)

    Anna Maria (daughter of Thomas Brewer and Louisa Elliott) was born in Chard in 1843 and baptised 25 Dec. Henry (son of Benjamin Elliott and Mary Saint) was born in Beaminster in 1842 and baptised 20 Nov.

    I have Henry in Beaminster in 1851 and 1861; the married couple in Guernsey in 1881-1911

    I cannot find Henry in 1871 -- please, can anyone else?
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    He could be in the Channel Islands as I have just found his widowed mother there with her other children -- but still drawing a blank

    btw Alma is not a name I have come across often but this is the first time I have found it given to a male! Alma Elliott (Henry's brother) married Anna Maria's sister, Elizabeth Ann
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Sorry that is misleading (I was confused :rolleyes:), only Alma is with her in 1871 -- in 1861 all the family are in Beaminster, although Henry is lodging elsewhere
     
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    Although around before, it became popular after the Battle of Alma, which took place in 1854 as part of the Crimean War. :)

    I have been looking for Henry as well, but have not found him....yet... :(
     
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    The Artful Dodger Dodging, ducking and diving

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    Neither had I but upon checking UK census for 1861, there were over 300 males with given name of ALMA born between 1851 and 1861.

    Knock me down with a wet noodle!!:)
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Thanks for that Jan, very interesting :)
    His birth was registered Jan-Mar 1855, so that fits nicely :D

    Seems I have lost brother James too ... though I'll wait a bit before posting details ...
     
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    Bay Horse Can be a bit of a dark horse

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    I'm looking too, but he's hard work.

    :confused:
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    I appreciate you all for looking :)

    Henry Elliott isn't exactly the most unique of names :eek:
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Just as well I waited ... the name is JOHN for starters ... sorry I'll have something to eat and come back to this later :confused:
     
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    OK I give up, Henry has obviously disappeared down a black hole in 1871......:mad:

    Ann
     
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    makes a change from a Bermuda triangle Ann :D

    I did wonder if he was on a ship in 1871, that's where I have decided his brother John was in 1871 --- although, on other censuses Henry was a quarryman (as was his son Edwin), John however was a sailor

    Must be time to talk about John ...

    Born 1847 in Beaminster, bapt. 10 Dec; 1851 & 1861 in Beaminster; 1871 not found (may be at sea); 1881 not found (should be in Cardiff, may be at sea); 1891-1911 Cardiff

    He married Julia Ann Kimber (born c1853 in St Sampson, Guernsey) in 1877 in Roath, Glamorgan

    Children who should be present in 1881: Percy George (b Dec 1877 Cardiff), and Lilian Julia (b Sep 1880 Cardiff)

    Haven't been able to find them by looking for Julia either ...


    [edit] found them via Percy, however John not present ;)
     
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    Julia and the children are at 6 Earl Street, Cardiff in 1881. Julia is recorded as 'wife' but there is no sign of John.

    RG11, Piece 5283, folio 72, page 41
     
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    :D jan, as usual, much quicker than me ;)
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    it looks like my Lilian Julia Elliott married in Dec 1910 in Cardiff (indexed as Lillian J)

    Groom was either a William A Elliott (possible cousin or unrelated?) or a Howard Rowlands

    There is a death for a Lilian J Elliott b c 1881 in Cardiff in Jun 1965

    But I cannot locate her in 1911 under either surname, married or unmarried; perhaps someone else will have luck!?

    Please ...
     
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    Mealymoo A Busy Lizzy

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    It would seem Howard Rowlands married Josephine Cheasty as they are together in1911. : RG14; Piece: 32130; Schedule Number: 64
     
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    Thanks Moo :), at least that goes to confirm I was on the right track with the records I found

    I wonder if that Mr Elliott is a cousin ... I don't think I have him in the tree as yet (I do have a lot of Williams but no William A) :confused: perhaps he is one of the lot who ended up in Guernsey, or another lot from Beaminster ( :eek: there are so many of them still to deal with :eek:)

    I wonder where Lilian and William are hiding in 1911?
     
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    I've not looked them for yet, but will head off now to 1911 censuses.
     
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    Not found them yet, Mugwort. There's a tree on Ancestry which has Lilian Julia and William A, the tree owner doesn't have them on the 1911 census but has a son Harry born Cardiff 1918, seems a late birth for the first child, possible they had more children and the tree owner knows of only the one.
     
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    Mealymoo A Busy Lizzy

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    Got them now. Living with William Arthur's mother, Sarah Ann (1845) a shopkeeper. William Arthur (1882) Lilian Julia (1881)
    30 Daniel Street Cathays Cardiff, Cardiff, Glamorganshire, Wales
     
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    There do seem to be other possible children

    Elliott births with mmn Elliott in Cardiff 1911-1930
    William A Jun 1912 died Jun 1912
    Mary A Sep 1912 died Sep 1912
    Harry Dec 1913 died Sep 1915
    William J Mar 1915
    Mina Sep 1916
    Harry Dec 1918
    Julia A Mar 1921
    Sylvia Jun 1922
    Iris Jun 1925


    I think William A is William Arthur bn Sep 1881 Cardiff, poss. previous marriage in 1898, died Mar 1950
     

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