Another 1939 Puzzler

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    The puzzle centres around Michael (Cyril Michael) born 26 September 1937. There is a Birmingham death registration dated October 2003 for a Cyril Michael Oldham, dob 26 September 1937, plus a marriage as Cyril M Oldham in 1966, but there is no trace of any possible birth registration anywhere. Equally baffling is the annotation 19.10.59 ??? BIR. FreeBMD lists 2 Birmingham deaths and 1 marriage, none of which relate to Cyril Michael or anyone in his immediate family.
     
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    Possible change of name to Cyril Michael from Michael in 1959?
     
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    What was the mother's maiden name?
     
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    I was going to ask that too but then I noticed ‘Rice’ above her first name.
    Michael Oldham Sep 1937 Leicester? Hall or Law?
     
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    I think Rice means she remarried after 1939
    Just found a marriage and it looks like mmn Davis
     
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    Still cannot find anything - I wonder if the date in green relates to when he was finally registered? (not that I can find that either:headbang:)
     
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    That's right Molly. Elizabeth Davis , a 1st cousin twice removed, was widowed in 1963 and re-married in 1972.

    Why didn't I think of that. It could be a Deed Poll reference number.

    It may be pure coincidence but there is a Birmingham birth registration for Cyril M Bissett MMN Davis Dec quarter 1937. Who knows?
     
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    I saw that one and wondered if the name Bissett meant anything to you?
     
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    Interesting isn't it as there are 4 other OLDHAM children birth registrations, 3 female and one male, with mother's maiden name of DAVIS registered in Birmingham from 1931-1939 but no Michael or Cyril Michael in 1937 which does seem strange. Subsequent death registration for one of the children in 1936 which fits with the 3 redacted records in the OLDHAM household in the 1939 Register. Could he perhaps have been a fostered or adopted child and thus registered under a different name?

    Janet
     
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    By George I think you’ve got him
     
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    FMP in their 1939 search tips says:
    "Name of person – The 1939 Register can include different names for people at different points in their lives from 1939 to 1991. It was usually annotated when people married, divorced, were adopted or changed their name."
     
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    The name means absolutely nothing. Have just run a quick search on FreeBMD and it looks as if we might be able to discount the coincidence aspect. There is just one Bissett/Davis marriage in the 1930's, and her name was Violet.
     
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    Just another thought, could Violet Davis be related to Elizabeth?
    In which case it could be a case of interfamily fostering/adoption.
     
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    1. Dates shown are usually not the date of the event, they are the date of the update (or the date on the form that triggered the update)
     
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    I know we are concentrating on Michael but what’s the green writing under his entry?
    I believe green ink means auditing doesn’t it?
     
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    May be he was originally recorded as Michael when it should have been Cyril Micheal that's in green ink above Michael. Or he changed his name to Cyril Michael.
     
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    Violet Davis married in Edmonton, while my Davis clan were all born and married in Birmingham or very close by. Assuming I don't forget :rolleyes: I intend settling the question by obtaining Cyril Bissett's 1937 birth certificate when finances are less stressed.
     
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    If you haven't looked -
    Ernest C and Violet (Davis) Bissett can be found on the 1939 reg in Enfield Middlesex with a son John born 19/6/1935 - no sign of Cyril/Michael

    Do let us know, when you get the birth cert.
     
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    Thank you Molly. Have decided to delay my visit to the barber until next month, by which time I'll be a bit of a shaggy dog, and have ordered the birth certificate. Watch this space. :)
     
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    Pleased to see you have your priorities right BD.;)
     
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