Anyone have access to Cheshire PRs?

Trying to identify James SWIFT aka James Swift BERRY from the thread here

His two marriages name his father as John Swift Berry mason. The second marriage was at the Manchester Cathedral (1871), but the first was at Dunham Massey in Cheshire (1862), so I am thinking he came from that area ... but ready to be proved wrong.

I don't see a baptism for a James Swift Berry at all, and I don't see one for a James Berry in Dunham Massey

He would have died in Victoria, Australia -- I think in 1905 if the James Swift (accountant, South Melbourne) probate record I found on FamilySearch is right. Don't have an age though If it is the right person Victoria BDM has mother as Mary Freetwell

Any help gratefully received

 

FMP has the m/c for 1862 and the second marriage Licence Bond & Allegation, but just a transcription of the second marriage.

 

sorry, MollyMay I was just coming back to add details I left off my post. I actually have image of the second marriage from Ancestry and the second was in Liverpool rather than Manchester, and it just says of full age [although I note he is claiming to be a bachelor ]

Anyway I had remembered the passenger list from 1871 says he was 27, so c1844 ??

 

Both James and Ann claim to be "under" in the age column on the 1862 m/c.
I have never seen the word under before.

 

Also found a death in Victoria in 1876 for a 33 year-old James Swift, father John, no mother given. Doesn't say where in Victoria ...

 

1861 census joy: RG 9; Piece: 2589; Folio: 108; Page: 21

Born Liverpool, living in Altrincham, stonemason; mother Elizabeth Stonemason's widow

Hopefully finding the 1851 will be a bit easier!!

 

Have you found James on any census?

There is this one in 1861 RG09 2589 108 21
23 Church Street Altrincham

Elizabeth Beary (FMP) original says Berry b1818 Oldham Stone Mason's widow
James b1843 Liverpool Stone Mason

Edited to say great minds!

 

We may be on the wrong track - 1851 HO107 2240 255 28
Higher Lord's Hill, Oldham Below Town, Oldham

John Berry b1796 Sowerby Yorkshire - stone mason
Betty Berry b1818 Oldham
James Berry b1843 Liverpool

 

No MM I think it's exactly right and I have already added it to the tree!! so it 'd better be

son James c1843 Liverpool in both
mother Betty/Elizabeth c1818 Oldham in both
father John stonemason in 1851 -- as we were looking for

 

I should read your post properly - I was looking for James as his father doh!

 

So since his mother is not Mary Freetwell I suppose I will go with the 1876 death

Blimey, his wife Mary Drinkwater nee Pixton didn't have much luck with husbands! I have her marrying at least once more to a Mr Jones, as she is Mary Jones at her death in 1910

 

And here may be the actual marriage of his actual parents

27 May 1836 John Berry and Betty Firth @ St Mary's Oldham

only a transcript, so no idea of occupation ...

 

John and Betty Berry in 1841 HO107 piece547 book16 folio12 page17

 

It is on Lancashire OPC -
Marriage: 27 May 1836 St Mary, Oldham, Lancashire, England
John Berry - (X), Stonemason, Oldham
Betty Firth - (X), Spinster, Oldham
Witness: Abram Jackson; John Jackson
Married by Banns with consent of Parties by: J. Fallowfield
Register: Marriages 1835 - 1837, Page 104, Entry 311
Source: LDS Film 1656119

Edited - too slow again

 

Thank you both , and I did try Lancashire OPC but didn't find it

Quite a disparity in yob for John from censuses 1841 has c1817 and 1851 has c1796. Possibly a mistranscription of his age in 1851 ... nope definitely read it as 55 ... and definitely 24 in 1841

 

There is a baptism of John Berry, Christ Church - Sowerby Bridge 12/10/1817
born 23/3/1816 son of James and Sarah.

James' occupation - mason abode Norland

 

Aye, and I've just seen one on FS for 17 Feb 1797 son of Thomas ! [in Sowerby]

 

Botherations!