Battle of the Walkers and the Maiden Names

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  1. Murfomurf

    Murfomurf Well-Known Member

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    Logic is defying me with several Walker marriages from the 1840s/50s. It all started with a Census record for a couple I assumed were Thomas Walker and Mary Smith with children Caroline, Hannah and George in 1861, with a mother-in-law Susannah Price.
    Reg dist. Penkridge
    Sub-reg. Brewood
    ED 11
    HSN 10 Pce 1981 Folio 5 p3
    Household Members
    Thomas Walker 38
    Mary Walker 28
    Caroline Walker 7
    Hannah Walker 5
    George Walker 7/12
    Susannah Price 70

    And I thought "Why are the children registered with MMN Smith when it seems their mother was nee Price?" I tried to find children named Walker with MMN Price in the same area and dates but none really fitted.

    From FamilySearch: Thomas Walker Marriage 8 Apr 1855 Place: Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England Parish: St Peter Residence North Street Spouse Mary Smith Spouse Residence North Street Spouse's Father John Smith Affiliate Image Identifier: D3928/7 also in FreeBMD. Walsall V6b p526

    This seems to be the marriage of Thomas and Mary, giving Mary's father as John Smith, so where does Susannah Price come into it? I can't find a 2nd marriage for Susannah and most trees say Thomas Walker's wife was Mary Price. Rather confusing! Who is who?
     
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    Could Susannah Price, the mother-in-law, have remarried and thus became a Price?
     
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    I think Ann's suggestion is the most likely, but perhaps Thomas had been married before to a Price and Susannah was the mother of his first wife. I note that child Caroline was born two years before the WAlker/Smith marriage.
     
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    Not that it adds anything to the conundrum but Susannah Price can be found at the same address as 1861 - Lower Green, Brewood with the same pob of Patton in 1851. HO107/2016/349/14 a widowed Ag lab (although outdoor servant was written and crossed through and ag lab entered) with Harriet Sunderland and children lodging with her.
    Following the Mary Price line on Anc. Mary Price is with her mother Susan/nah in 1851 both give Bilston as pob HO107/2021/602/3 - this Mary has a father called Thomas Price:headbang:
     
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    :headbang::headbang:
     
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    Yes, thank you! I have visited a Price household with Mary in it and a father, Thomas. It makes life interesting when these little puzzles come up. But still- all the births from Thomas Walker and Mary say "Smith" for MMN.
     
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    According to the GRO, Caroline was born the year AFTER the marriage of Thomas Walker and Mary Smith: WALKER, CAROLINE SMITH GRO Reference: 1856 M Quarter in PENKRIDGE Volume 06B Page 332. Other children also registered Penkridge.
     
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    So... this may just be wishful thinking but I cannot find a Susan/nah Price in 1841.
    However in Coven where Susannah claims to be born is one John Price
    HO107 piece973 Book5a folio49 page24

    On 4/8/1845 at the Colegiate church Wolverhampton
    John Price widower married Susannah Smith Widow
    the witnesses appear to be 'of the church' as the witness all 4 marriages on the same page
    The only drawback is in 1841 John Price is an Ag lab and on the m/c a locksmith, so potentially different people altogether, but I thought I would put it here, as it seemed co-incidentalo_O
    Shame there are too many John Price deaths 1845-1851 to make Susanna a widow again in 1851
     
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    Thomas Walker married Mary Smith at the Collegiate Church Wolverhampton too.
    a few extra snippets on what you have Murfomurf
    in father's name for Thomas is written "born before wedlock" and no occupation given. John Smith is recorded as dead, so no occupation.
    One witness is a church official the other is difficult to read
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    I reckon that says Isaac Sambrook. I used to know some people called Sambrook :)
     
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    Thanks Ann, I thought Sambrook or Lambrook, but the first name eluded me - of course I can see it now;)
     
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    If it turns out to be the right marriage for Susannah Smith to John Ptice, then you might need to know she named her father as E Hughes deceased
     
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    There is a marriage of John Smith (widower) to Susannah Hughes
    25/12/1822 at Wolverhampton St Peter
     
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    OK- thank you- what should we do with this Samuel Sambrook?
     
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    Not more surnames! Save me!
     
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    Unless it is a name that you know, from the family, then forget it - he could be anyone.

    Sorry about the 'fat finger' Ptice - it should read Price of course:oops:
     
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    Hanging in because I love your avatar. ;)
     
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    20 Jan 1856 Caroline Walker daughter of Thomas and Mary baptised SS Mary & Chad Anglican parish Brewood. Occupation of father is labourer, abode is Brinsford (now the location of several prisons). DOB is stated as 19 Jan 1856
     
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    9 Jan 1859 Hannah Walker daughter of Thomas ans Mary baptised at St Mary Anglican Parish Bushbury. Abode is given as Essington. occupation of father is labourer.
    18 Sept 1860 George Walker son of Thomas and Mary baptised St Paul Anglican Parish Coven. Abode given as Lower green Coven. Occupation of father is labourer.

    The locations of the baptisms tie in with the locations given on the 1861 census for place of birth
     
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    Am I getting it right that Susannah Smith-Price was born Susannah Hughes with father E Hughes?
     

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