Bellem/Bellam and Truan

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  1. Genie1

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    I decided to look at the Truan family again and I have Elizabeth A Truan born 1836 married to Isaac Bellam.
    This information was given to me a long time ago and I don't remember who I was in contact with at that time. Added to the fact it would have been on a different computer and email address:rolleyes:
    I found Elizabeth in the 1871 census at Arch Place, St Mary Redcliff, Bristol, Gloucestershire, England with children and her birth place is Penryn.
    I can't find a marriage for said people and looking at the 1841 and 1851 census there is Elizabeth Ann Truran living at Penryn with her parents Andrew Truran and Elizabeth Truran.
    My Elizabeth A was the daughter of Peter Truan and Elizabeth Whetter and she was baptised 16 Jan 1836 at Gerrans.
    Her mother was buried 6 Nov 1836 at Gerrans.
    In fact I can't find her in 1841.1851 or 1861.
     
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    1851
    Elizth A Truan
    a 15 year old servant
    Churchdown
    working for a John Adam Allen & family

    Piece 1908
    Folio 23
    Page number 16
    Household Members 5
     
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    Book number 8
    Folio number 27
    Page number 9
    Record set 1841 England, Wales & Scotland Census

    this 1841 has an Elizabeth Truan age 5 with afamily called Collet/trevenna
    polmazic St Ewe St Austall
     
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    Hi Genie. The baptism on 16th Jan 1836 at Gerrans mother is Thomasin. The following baptism on Cornwall OPC, again with father Peter is in 1856 and that mother is Eliza.
     
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    It was Thomasin (Whetter) who died November 1836 at Gerrans.
     
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    cant see a marriage yet, off to bed now need my beauty sleep!!!
     
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    Do you think this is them in 1861

    RG09, Piece 3976,Folio 70, Page 5
    3 Tunns, Bridge Street, Chepstow, Monmouth

    They have one son with them, George Bellem b. 1849 in Plymouth

    BELLEM, GEORGE
    Mother's maiden name: MARSHALL
    1848 J Quarter in PLYMOUTH Volume 09 Page 394

    Looks like Isaac had been married previously

    Marriages Mar 1839
    BELLEM Isaac on the same page is MARSHALL Betsy
    Launceston - 9 - 177

    1871
    Worcester Street (Firemens Arms), Llanelly, Crickhowell, Breconshire, Wales
    RG10, Piece 5588, Folio 24, Page 41

    Isaac Ballen, Boarder, Married, 56, 1815, Optician, Dartmouth, Devon, England

    1881
    E, 178, King Street, Llanelly, Crickhowell, Breconshire, Wales
    RG11, Piece 5465, Folio 87, Page 22

    Isaac Bellam, Boarder, Widower, 67, 1814, Optician, Dartmouth, Devon, England

    1891
    RG12, Piece 1733, Folio 10, Page 14
    Claremont Street, Plymouth, Devon, England

    Isaac Bellen, Head, Widower, 77, 1814, Opticianer, Dartmouth, Devon, England

    Just found a tree on Ancestry, it also has Isaac as being previously married to Betsy Marshall on 11th February 1839 , he has a second wife Elizabeth Ann Truan. Now here's the thing, the death for Isaac's first wife is given as 16 February 1894 at 16 Ann's Place, Stoke Damerel, Plymouth. So maybe Elizabeth Ann Truan never actually married Isaac as his first wife was still very much alive. Elizabeth's death is given as 26 November 1874 at Minnie Cottages, Pile Marsh, Clifton, Bristol.

    1851
    28, Claremont Street, St Andrew, Plymouth, Devon, England
    HO107, Piece 1879, Folio 197, Page 15

    Betsy, married, and 2 children, one being George b. 1849

    1881 Betsy b.1807 is living with her brother at 18, Claremont Street, Plymouth St Andrew, Plymouth, Devon, England, she says she is a widow.
     
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    I made a mistake with the name. Looking through the family tree while writing:rolleyes:
    I found him in the census. He is quite a bit older than Elizabeth.You may be right about them never marrying.
    If she never married where did the information that she was 'my' Elizabeth that I was given come from and where would the information about her father appear without a marriage certificate?
    There is an Elizabeth Bellem born 1832 at Penryn living in Bristol with children Emma 1862,Charles 1864 and Kate 1870. All children born Somerset.
    Added:
    The 2 censuses has her born at Gerrans so if it her,why put Penryn?
     
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    The 1871 census says the children were born Bristol, Somerset.

    BELLEM, EMMA
    MMN: TRURAN
    1862 J Quarter in BEDMINSTER Volume 05C Page 781

    BELLEM, CHARLES
    MMN: TRUAN
    1864 M Quarter in BEDMINSTER Volume 05C Page 814

    BELLEM, KATE
    MMN: TRUVAN
    1870 M Quarter in BRISTOL Volume 06A Page 6
     
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    If Elizabeth is the 'wife'of Isaac,in 1871 she is living Somerset and he is living
    1871 Breconshire, Wales.
    I am trying to find her in 1861 and hopefully a marriage in Cornwall.
     
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    If she is the right one I wonder if she went to live with relatives of the Whetter famiy.
     
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    She was actually living in Redcliffe, Bristol. Isaac was an optician, he was a boarder in Llanelly.

    Our town back then didn't have opticians or dentists, they used to advertise in the local papers that they would be visiting the area and you could make an appointment. Was Isaac a travelling optician?
     
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    In 1861 she says she is born in Plymouth and is living with the chap and his son.
    Where is Betsy in 1861?
    Even though Truran with all spelling is one the other offspring I don't know how the person that sent me details in the past new that her father was Peter.
     
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    Newspaper report about an Isaac Bellam age 58 and a traveller having one month hard labour for wounding George Ellis.South Wales Daily News 5 July 1873.
    South Wales Daily News 29 April 1873.
    One paragraph has
    Quote;You ridicule this West Country ,but you were glad to live in it until you ran away from your wife with another woman.Unquote
    Is this the Isaac that had children with the Truran?
     
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    I reckon this could be Isaac -
    South Wales Daily News 5th July 1873
    Isaac Bellam (58) traveller, was indicted for unlawfully and maliciously wounding George Ellis on the head with a poker at Newport, on the 24th April last. Guilty, sentenced to one month's hard labour.

    There is a full report of what happened in the South Wales Daily News of the 29th April 1873.

    I took too long typing :rolleyes::D
     
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    The report with the running away with another woman seems to fit as np marriage can be found.
     
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    I found Kate born 1870 in 1881 and she is a lodger and scholar in the house of William Gillard.Taunton,Somerset.
    Now to find Emily.I think that I found Charles yesterday.
     
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    I think the Elizabeth with Isaac and 12 year old George in 1861 is Betsy.

    Elizabeth A TRUAN, I am sure can be found as a lodger in the house of John and Mary MARKS in Cuby, Cornwall. She is unmarried, has no occupation, has a birth year of 1836 and birth place of Gerrans, Cornwall. RG09/Piece 1552/Folio 91/Page 9

    FMP has her transcribed as TRANSON, Ancestry as TRONSON.
     
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