Bertha Annie Cronin

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  1. Doug

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    According to her death details in Victoria, Australia Bertha was born circa 1862 in Cork. On her marriage certificate in 1888 she stated her parents were Maurice Cronin, clerk and Mary Cronin nee Williams.

    I freely admit to being useless researching Ireland and am hoping someone may be able to provide more surety regarding her birth.

    Thanks.
     
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    CA lot of records were permantly lost in several fires in 1922. After 1845 rc records r at national library of Ireland, Dublin. Before the date v little survives n rc records at national achive of Ireland, Dublin. If its c of I records all were lost before 1845 but after at GRO in Dublin or PRONI, Belfast.
     
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    Thank you.
     
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    If u have no luck, let me know. I'm at proni sometime after 23rd Feb. I could do a look up for u while I'm there.
     
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    In case you don't already have these, Doug, FamilySearch does have baptisms for three children of a couple called Maurice Cronin & Mary Williams but all at 'Rathmore with Nohaval and Kilcummin', Kerry:

    Mary bapt. 3 February 1844
    Margaret bapt. 25 October 1854
    John bapt. 19 April 1857

    These are from film no. 823803 which is coming up in the FamilySearch catalogue as this 15-volume publication including transcripts of various Cork and Kerry church records, a lot of them Roman Catholic ones:
    https://
    familysearch.org/search/catalog/259184?availability=Family%20History%20Library

    Also from FamilySearch, John Cronin (son of Maurice Cronin & Mary Williams) married in Burlington, Des Moines, Iowa in 1898 aged 36.

    That doesn't really help find your Bertha though :(
     
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    Than you both. Will see what I can find.
     
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    There are more details of these baptisms on this website:

    http://www.
    irishgenealogy.ie/en/

    A thorough search there might bring up more family members. For example they have a baptism for Johanna [could be Jane if original record is in Latin] at Rathmore in 1846, daughter of Maurice Cronin & Mary Williams. Address = Knocknagree. I also came across a Julia daughter of Maurice Cronin & Julia Williams: a different couple or a mistake in the mother's name?
     
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    Thanks again Huncamunca.
     
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    Have had a search around and have been unable to find anything. I will take you up on your generous offer if I may.
     
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    No problem Doug. Id be happy to help. I'm not up at PRONI till after 23rd february.
     
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    Ta muchly. :)
     
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    Some of you Irish researchers could be interested in this book from the Internet Archives (address below)
    Index to the marriage licence bonds of the diocese of Cork and Ross,
    Ireland, for the years from 1628-1750,
    preserved in the Public record office of Ireland
    Hugh.

    https://
    archive.org/details/indextomarriagel00cork

    (Link split as they ask for donations)
     
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    http://www.irishgenealogy.ie/en/

    this site has a lot of the civil records and church records etc
    having said that have searched for your Bertha and no luck but might help someone.................
    they did say there were a number of variations for Cronin

    Cronin, Croinn, Cronan, Cronane, Croneen, Cronen, Croninc, Cronine, Croninn, Cronnen, Cronnin, Cronnis, Cronon, Cronyn, Crooneen, Crornane, Croumhane, Crounan, Crounin, Crownan, O'cronin, Crohin
     
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    Have come across a baptism for an Anne Cronin 11 Mar 1860 parents Mau Cronin and Mary Williams..........this though is in a Roman Catholic church
    Roman Catholic, Millstreet and Cullen, Cork, Ireland
     
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    Hi Sandie,

    That is a possibility. When she married in Australia it was in the Free Church however she was buried as a Roman Catholic and her two sons recorded their religion as Roman Catholic when they enlisted in WWI.
     
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    I see from a report of her death attached to her name in a tree that her family called her Bridget Ann ..............nasty death poor woman but she does seem to have used a few names!
     
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    Yes - though on her marriage certificate and the birth certificate of her son Maurice she was recorded as Bertha Annie. Not a pleasant death at all.
     
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    so its possible she was baptised Anne married as Bertha Annie and was buried as Bridget Ann...........I love family history :headbang:
     
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    Indeed - I suspect I will never know for certain with this one. Fortunately she is very remote. The man we think is my great grandfather married her after my great grandmother died in childbirth (my grandfathers birth certificate has no father but she married this man shortly after the birth and both men share the same first name.

    Possible great grandfather was killed in a saw mill when a log rolled on him. Then Bertha died in the bush after presumably getting lost. The couple had two sons both were killed in WWI.

    Not a lucky family at all.
     
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    fortunately part of family was lucky or we wouldn't be having this conversation:D
     
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