Birth Certificates for births in Presteigne, Radnorshire 1849

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    Kirsty Catalano Active Member

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    Hello everyone!

    I am hoping to purchase a copy of a birth certificate for my g-g-grandmother. I've now discovered that she was born in Radnorshire, Wales in 1849. There are two things I'm trying to work out: how do I go about ordering the certificate (I am in Australia!) and can I confirm which registration district the record now lies - Powys or Kington?

    Details of the birth are:

    DAVIES Mira born July 1849 (baptised 31 July 1849) in Presteigne, Ragnorshire, Wales. Volume XXVI page 287.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated! Thank you! :)

    Kirsty
     
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    You can also order a PDF copy for only £6, it is sent electronically so you save £3.25 and receive it quicker.
     
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    The birth registration for this Mira is:-

    DAVIES, MIRA
    Mother's maiden name: FARNALLS
    GRO Reference: 1849 J Quarter in PRESTEIGNE & KINGTON Volume 26 Page 287

    If you go to the site Doug suggested and enter her name, sex and year, it will be the only one that comes up. So there will be no need to enter the district.

    Could this be the marriage of her parents?

    06 May 1845, Bucknell, Shropshire, England
    William Davies, Bachelor, Full Age, Servant, of Heartsease (made his mark)
    Father's Name: Thomas Davies, Labourer
    Sarah Farnalls, Spinster, Full age, of Bucknell (signed)
    Father's Name Thomas Farnalls, Labourer
    Witnesses Thomas Hughes (made his mark), Elizabeth Jones (made her mark)
     
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    The image of the above marriage is available on FindMyPast.
     
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    You have that she was
    The above according to FMP and Familysearch have
    Mira Davies
    Gender Female
    Christening Date 04 APR 1849, LINGEN, HEREFORD, ENGLAND
    Father's Name William Davies
    Mother's Name Sarah

    Lingen is probably where they were living, Presteigne would be the nearest registration district. Lingen to Presteigne is either 4.5 or 5.2 miles all according which road you take.

    Lingen is in Herefordshire, England and Presteigne is in Radnorshire, England
     
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    1851 Census
    HO107
    Piece number 1981
    Folio 365
    Page 6

    Lucton Village, Lucton, Leominster, Herefordshire, England
    William Davies, Head, Married, 33, 1818, Ag Lab, Pileth, Radnorshire
    Sarah Davies, Wife, Married, 31, 1820, Clunbury, Shropshire
    Thomas Davies, Son, 11, 1840, Bucknell, Shropshire
    William Davies, Son, 4, 1847, Leominster, Herefordshire
    Sarah Davies, Daughter, 3, 1848, Leominster, Herefordshire
    Mirah Davies, Daughter, 2, 1849, Lingen, Herefordshire
     
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    Thank you so much!

    This is an interesting story. My Mira Davies married a William Rackley in 1867. She died in Harrisville Queensland at the age of 90 which would put her year of birth around 1849. I initially had her date of birth as 1850, born in Fownhope, Herefordshire because that is what was on the death certificate I ordered a few years back. However, I was looking into some other links through DNA and ordered the Historical Death Certificate and it states she was born in Radnorshire, Wales. I understand that both Herefordshire and Radnorshire are quite close together so either one of these dates could be our Mira. The details on her historical death certificate state her father was Thomas Davies, laborer and 'Unknown' Chandler so I don't think the record above is correct. Unless he is a William Thomas? But that doesn't explain her mothers name. Appreciate all your help!

    Kirsty
     
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    Ah interesting record!!! Maybe Sarah was/is Chandler and William is Thomas as he named his first son Tomas. Interesting....

    Leominster is a place of interest too.
     
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    There is a marriage of a Thomas Davies to an Ann Chandler in Presteigne in 1845

    Changed marriage year, typing to quickly.
     
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    Wow, ok, that's sounding good! Where is that record?
     
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    There are 2 couples married at the same time. So not sure if Chandler married Davies.

    Marriages Jun 1845
    Chandler Ann Presteign &c 26 443
    Davies Thomas Presteigne 26 443
    Probert Edward Presteign &c 26 443
    Worthen Ann Presteign &c 26 443

    The only way to find out for certain would be to send for the certificate. Doesn't help with elimination when the brides both have the same first name.
     
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    Found on Freebmd

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    https://www.freebmd.org.uk/cgi/search.pl?start=1845&end=1845&sq=2&eq=2&type=Marriages&vol=26&pgno=443&db=bmd_1516014750&jsexec=1&mono=0&v=MTUxNjc3NzE2MjpkMjRkOWViNTE1NzQzNjZjMTFjODM3ZmU0YmQyNmM5YjJlYTU4MmNl&searchdef=districtid%3D641%26db%3Dbmd_1516014750%26eq%3D4%26sq%3D1%26type%3DMarriages%26s_surname%3Dchandler%26given%3Dthomas%26surname%3Ddavies&action=Find
     
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    Thanks for this! I think I will send for the certificate!! :)
     
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    So this is interesting. I tried to order the marriage certificate for Thomas Davies and Ann Chandler. This is the reply:

    Thank you for your order as detailed below.

    Marriage Certificate: THOMAS DAVIES & ANN CHANDLER married in PRESTEIGNE

    We have been unable to process your application, please refer to the paragraph below.

    Each page in a register contains several marriage entries. The persons requested are on this page at the reference you quoted, however they are not married to each other.

    What now I wonder???
     
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    Based on the response it would appear that Thomas Davies married Ann Worthen June Qtr 1845 at Presteign and Ann Chandler married Edward Probert.
     
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    Yes, I think so too. Perhaps it's worth ordering the birth certificate for Mirah (listed above) with father William and mother Sarah as a process of elimination. It's the closest I've come to a record for her. Maybe there is information on the certificate that might be helpful.
     
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    I think the confusion lies with the registration of 2 Mira Davies.
    Mira Davies June 1849 Presteigne 26 287
    Mira Davies Sept 1850 Hereford 26 203
    The death certificate is probably correct in that she is the one born in Hereford.
     
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    Mira Davies registered in 1849 Presteigne parents William and Sarah.
    Mira Davies registered 1850 Hereford parents were Thomas and Mary.
    1851 Thomas Davies was a gamekeeper born Mordiford Hereford and his wife Mary was born Fownhope Hereford.
    1851 Mira Davies. Father William was born Pileth Herford and wife Sarah was born Chumbrey Shropshire
     
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    If that is what is on the death certificate that was issued on her death then it must have been known by the informant as her place of birth.
    So if that is the case then it's Thomas born Mordiford and Mary born Fownhope as her parents.
    Family Search has a marriage of a Thomas Davies and Mary Powell 23/2/1846-23/3/1846 Fownhope with Fawleye, Hereford. I cant find it on FreeBMD and that doesn't explain the name Chandler unless Thomas married again.
     
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