Can I have some help with this word please?

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  1. Findem

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    The entry is the first one on the first page.

    It is for the baptism of Mary the daughter of William Warner a Gardener and his wife Elizabeth, 22 Oct 1697 at Great Baddow.

    The word I'm having trouble with is the word above the & sign which is between the words Gardener and Elizabeth., not sure if it is the name of a place or a property.

    Thanks.
     

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    Could it be the name of one of the Manor house owners? It looks to me like Gardener to ?
    Or could it be Gardener Li (little) Baddow?
     
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    A hard one, this. I've blown it up, turned it round... :sceptical:

    I keep seeing the word 'Border' but of course that doesn't make sense.
     
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    'Border'? 'Borden'?
    with an initial in front? T? J?
    The name of William's employer, perhaps?

    or is it all one word - 'Gardner & dissorder'?:eek: - but the 2nd word should start with a capital, so perhaps not.

    Sorry Derek. I'm stumped.

    Jane
     
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    I thought disorder but looking at the Whitebread name below the writer does not cross his t so could it be dissenter?
     
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    The first letter is a capital D and there is a double 's' written as 'ff'. These, coupled with the fact that the recorder does not seem to cross his 't's - or if he does, it is done very lightly - leads me to think that the word is 'Dissenter' as well.

    The following is from the Little Baddow website. As this village is only about 3 miles from Great Baddow, chances are that similar was happening there as well:

    Puritanism had a strong hold in Little Baddow, with Thomas Hooker and John Eliot, preachers and colonists of North America living at Cuckoos from 1629-31. In 1708 Francis Barrington gave a field for the purpose of building a “Meeting house for the public worship of God by the dissenting congregation of Protestants”. Now called the United Reformed Chapel, it is one of the oldest in the country.
     
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    'dissenter' it is.
     
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    I'm going with 'dissenter' too, especially as there is no date of christening, only a date of birth.
     
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    I see border as well and there seem to be a dot before border and what looks like a 3 before the dot.
     
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    I think I will go with Dissenter as well.

    Janet
     
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    If you come down the page you will see 'John son of John Gardner Inn Keeper AND A DISSENTER and Mary his wife was born the 4th Day of January 1697 and baptised ??? cant read 169?. So yes Im in agreement as to it being Dissenter.
     
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    Ah, well done. :)
     
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    Thanks you all for that, I'll record it as Dissenter, I could see parts of dissenter but not enough to make a word out of it so I had no idea what the word was.

    I didn't associate the lack of a baptism date to being a Dissenter family, completely missed that. :rolleyes:
     
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