Can you find the Clitheros

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    My Great Grandfather, Charles William Kidd b 1862 Gt Ormond Yd, Middlesex had a sister Louisa b 1866 same place and a brother Samuel b 1867 Battersea. Louisa married John Clithero b 1868 Chiswick and Samuel married Louisa Clithero b 1868 Chiswick. I can find no record of these Clitheros prior to their marriages. I've always wondered if they were brother and sister or perhaps even twins. Could anyone find them for me?
     
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    The closest I can come is, Hannah Louisa Clitheroe, June 1869 Preston Lancs 8e 564 and John Clitheroe June 1869 Chorley 8e 449
    There is also a John Clitheroe Dec 1868 Preston 8e 515. I know all these are Lancashire but that is the closest I could come to a Louisa.
     
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    I have read that it's a common problem ! ;)
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    There is a John Clithero on the 1881 census - in Kensington, born Kensington 1868
    RG11/34/123/13 - father George (white smith) mother Sarah

    The same family can be found in 1871 with the surname Glithero in Kensington
    RG10/42/34/57

    2 sisters neither born 1868 nor called Louisa
     
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    Not Hannah Louisa Clitheroe either, She married in Preston in 1892
     
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    Yes I've found those but for some reason don't think it's my John Clithero.
     
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    As Clithero or Clitheroe is a Lancashire name I think there is a good chance of the family originating there but can't make the connection. The two may be unrelated but somehow I think that's unlikely. I need to find a Clithero family who moved to London and hope to find a connection
     
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    How about Rosetta Anne Louisa Clitherow baptised St Marys Lambeth 5/9/1869 father Richard mother Rosetta. I did spy a Richard John Clithero(w/e) somewhere too
     
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    • I did find them and wondered, I just would like to find a few census returns with them all on. It doesn't work like that, does it? I may consider sending for Louisa Kidd's marriage cert to see who John's father is. As they are not my direct ancestors, I don't usually bother going to that trouble. I've also looked under Jack Clithero as he was usually called Jack.
     
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    John Clithero married Louisa Kidd in 1888 Brentford 3a 102
    Louisa Clithero married Samuel Kidd 1896 Brentford 3a 147
    I have looked for the m/c's online but so far nothing
     
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    I know he was called Jack because my Great Auntie Florrie, my Grandma Eleanor's youngest sister was sent to live with Auntie Louie and Uncle Jack when their mother died when Eleanor was 11 and Florrie was 5. There were older children who were working and another brother Billy who was about 7 at the time. Charles William Kidd must have felt he couldn't look after little Florrie at the time. She came back to the family in Yorkshire when he remarried in 1919
     
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    I get the impression that Florrie was considered to be a bit spoilt by her older siblings. She was apparently pushed around in a pram by her mother until she was nearly 5. I think as her Mum died of heart failure she probably found pushing a pram around easier that walking without it, a bit like a zimmer. I also think Eleanor had a lot of responsibility for Florrie as a child. Auntie Florrie once said "Our Nellie used to grab me in one hand and Billy in the other and drag us along". My Grandma did feel responsible for Florrie. When they were elderly and Eleanor in a care home and she heard that Florrie had lost her husband, she was concerned that she couldn't go and look after Florrie.
     
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    Are you looking for Clitheroe or KIDD?
    Name: Louisa Kidd
    Record Type: Baptism
    Baptism Date: 2 Apr 1866
    Father's name: Charles Kidd -a Carman.Cromer St.
    Mother's name: Margaret Kidd
    Parish or Poor Law Union: St Pancras
    Borough: Camden
    Register Type: Parish Registers
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    London Metropolitan Archives, St Pancras, Register of Baptism, p90/pan1, Item 037
    William Oct. 30 1864
    Louisa 7 Mar. 1866 both Bapt.2 Ap. 1866 St. Pancras.
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    Louisa Kidd maried John Clitheroe
    Registration Year: 1888 Oct-Nov-Dec
    Registration district: Brentford
    Inferred County: Middlesex
    Volume: 3a-102
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    1871
    Name: Jessie Kidd ?
    Age: 5
    Estimated birth year: abt 1866
    Relation: Daughter
    Father's name: Charles Kidd
    Mother's name: Margeret Kidd
    Gender: Female
    Where born: West Green, Middlesex, England
    Civil Parish: Edmonton
    Ecclesiastical parish: Southgate Christchurch
    Charles Kidd 50
    Margeret Kidd 28
    William Kidd 6
    Jessie Kidd 5 ?
    Samuel Kidd 3
    Margeret Kidd 2
    Rosemond Kidd 1
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    Class: RG10; Piece: 1342; Folio: 90; Page: 6;
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    1881
    Charles Kidd 43
    Margaret Kidd 40
    William Kidd 16
    Louisa Kidd 15
    Samuel Kidd 14
    Margaret Kidd 12
    Katherine Kidd 8
    George Kidd 5
    Joseph Kidd 2
    Source Citation
    Class: RG11; Piece: 1350; Folio: 118; Page: 57;
    .................................
    Name: Charles Kidd
    Spouse: Margarett Sullivan
    Record Type: Marriage
    Event Date: 1 Sep 1862
    Parish: St George, Bloomsbury
    Borough: Camden
    Father Name: William Kidd
    Spouse Father: James Sullivan
    Register Type: Parish Register
     
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    I've got the Kidd's. It was just that Louisa Kidd and Samuel Kidd both married a Clithero from Chiswick. I wondered if John Clithero and Louisa Clithero were brother and sisteror perhaps cousins. It appears to complicate things as Samuel's sister and wife are both called Louisa.
     
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    Name: Samuel Kidd
    Birth Date: 17 May 1867
    Baptism Date: 15 Jan 1873
    Baptism Place: Battersea, Surrey, England
    Father: Charles Kidd
    Mother: Margaret Kidd
    FHL Film Number: 1041672
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    Samuel Kidd
    Registration Year: 1896 Jul-Aug-Sep
    Registration district: Brentford, Middlesex
    Volume: 3a-147
    married either :
    Agnes Elizabeth Beckwith
    Louisa Clithero ***
    Samuel Kidd
    George Wise
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    1901
    Samuel Kidd 33
    Louisa Kidd 33
    Sarah Ann L Kidd 4
    Source Citation
    Class: RG13; Piece: 1197; Folio: 126; Page: 34
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    1881
    Louisa Kidd 15
    Samuel Kidd 14
    This Louisa & Samuel were siblings. Samuel has same birth date as he who married Louisa Clitheroe.
    Both born Hornsey via 1881 Census.
     
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    If this is John Clithero and Louisa (nee Kidd) in the 1911 census it says he was born Bennett St Chiswick.

    Registration District Number: 128
    Sub-registration district: Acton
    ED, institution, or vessel: 21
    Household schedule number: 295
    Piece: 6972
     
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    I have a Samuel and Louisa Kidd 1901 census. He was born Battersea and Louisa born Chiswick.

    RG13, Piece number 1197, Folio 126, Page 34
     
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    Here are Chiswick baptism on FamilySearch. I have tried Clithero and Clethero, maybe someone else can have a go.

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    https://familysearch.org/search/record/results?count=75&query=%2Bbatch_number%3AC019869
     
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    I need to find them before their marriages and I haven't found any trace of them in Chiswick at birth.
     
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    Just trying all angles.:) Couldn't come even close in the census either! Maybe someone with more expertise can find them.:rolleyes:
     

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