Caroline Bartle's children

Back to family history after a break.
Checking newspapers for the Clymo's in the Camborne area I came across 2 newspaper reports for the above.
The Cornish Telegraph 01 October 1879 and Charles Clymo is mentioned.
Cornishman 02 October 1879 and John Clymo is mentioned.
Could the reporter have made a mistake in the 2nd October report?
There is also a report
Cornishman 16 October 1884 with Caroline Bartle and a court case.
She had twins that died. I found what I think are her children born and died in 1884 in the Truro district. Ada and Walter.
I have to see if I can find her 1879 child.

 

I think that Caroline is in the 1871 census at Centenary Street,Camborne.
RG10/2323/88.57 with her siblings. Caroline is 14 years old.
I can't find her in 1881.

 

Code:

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Truro/Truro1881.shtml

Not there that I can see.

Code:

http://www.workhouses.org.uk/Redruth/Redruth1881.shtml

Not here either.

 

As you say, the two newspaper reports contradict each other - one says John Clymo & the other says Charles. They also contradict each other about the sex of the child - one says male, the other says female. The Cornishman 2 Oct 1879 says the (male) child was born 22 Oct 1878 in Redruth

There is a death in Q1 1881 Redruth RD of a Thomas Bartle aged 2, and a birth registration that matches, although it would have been a little late for an October 1878 birth:
BARTLE, THOMAS (no mmn) GRO Reference: 1879 M Quarter in REDRUTH Volume 05C Page 243

Are the Caroline Bartle's in the newspapers definitely the same person though? The 1884 article also mentions her mother and a little boy, so may well be this family:

1881 at St Austell Street, St Clement, Truro - RG11/2310/100/2
Mary Ann Bartle 64 widow Nurse b Caldown, Devon
Caroline Bartle 30 Daur, b Marylavey, Devon (Mary Tavy?)
Albert John Bartle 7m Grandson, born Truro

BARTLE, ALBERT JOHN (no mmn) GRO Reference: 1880 S Quarter in TRURO Volume 05C Page 152

Baptism Truro 28 Nov 1880 Albert John s/o Caroline Bartle

 

The Cornishman of 2 Oct 1879 naming John Clymo as the father gives Caroline's address as Centenary Street, so this looks like the right person. In 1881 her sisters Julia & Ann are still there, along with brother Charles and a 2-year old niece named Bessie Jane(?)

 

In 1901 there is a marriage for an Albert John Phillips or BARTLE, Rosewin/Rosewarn Hill, fathers name John Phillips. His birth year is given as 1880. Marriage to Annie Pascoe 30/8/1901 Truro St Pauls.
Did Caroline marry a John Phillips? John Phillips on the registration was a hawker deceased

 

There is a list of Bartles from the 1881. Union Workhouse, St Clement. It has Caroline Bartle as daughter of John Bartle and Mary Ann Gray, born about 1851, Mary Tavy Devon, her children being Albert John Bartle and Mary Bartle youhaventlived.com

 

Albert John Bartle is said to be born 29th August 1880 Union Workhouse
Mary Bartle about 1891 Barnstaple Devon

 

It looks like Albert John is known as Phillips in 1911. He is a Waggoner GWR St Clement Truro married to Annie.

 

Is Bessie Jane the child mentioned in the newspaper report?

Probably 2 different people. Caroline's mother was dead and the sister looked after them.

 

1901 Caroline Bartle is a chairwoman in St Clement age 47 born Tavistock, she is with her daughter Mary age 10 born Barnstaple.

 

I think that she must be the Caroline in the Truro workhouse.

 

1891 Bessie is living with Julia RG12/1850/82/3
Julia as a boarder and Bessie is at school.

 

The father of John Clymo in the 1879 newspaper report, had the licence to the Reynold Arms in May 1874.
The Cornishman newspaper Thursday 17 April 1884 says that Capt Nicholas Clymo has received a letter saying that his son John Clymo has died in Victoria,Australia. He left Cornwall about 15 years ago and leaves a wife and 4 children. So it can't be him.
Nicholas Clymo had left the pub by 1891 according to the 1891 census.
In 1871 Nicholas and family are living at Bereppa RG10/2326/86/26
Charles was born 1852.
1881 Charles Clymo is married and living at William Street with his wife and in-laws.
The first newspaper report has Charles as the father of the child.

 

That's what I thought when I posted it - that the Caroline with the twins was a red herring - but I didn't have time to look any further.

The DoB for the child alleged to have been fathered by Mr Clymo was 22 Oct 1878, and there is a Bessie Bartle in the 1939 register giving a DoB of 22 Oct 1880, which I think may be her. She is a widow, but there is a marriage in 1906 between Elizabeth Jane Bartle & (same page) John Bartle.

Confusingly, in 1911 there is a Bessie Bartle aged 32 born Redruth living in Accrington, Lancashire with husband Frank Bartle, a dealer in fish & fruit. Married 2 years, no children.

 

If Frank Bartle from 1911 is the same man as John Bartle from the 1906 marriage, then he died in 1913 and there is a long write-up in the Haslingden Gazette 18 Oct 1913

 

Bessie Jane's birth?

BARTLE, BESSIE (no mmn) GRO Reference: 1878 D Quarter in REDRUTH Volume 05C Page 223

 

It will be a mystery. I was curious because this Clymo family are ancestors.