Carpenter to Wheelwright??

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    I have a chap called Benjamin Parsons who in 1841 is living Hampton, Middlesex occupation wheelwright. HOwever on his duaghter Hannah's baptism in 1827 he is a carpenter. When Hannah marries in 1846 her father's occupation is wheelwright. Have I got the right baptism do you think? Sadly I think Benjamin pops off after that and the toad was not born in county so heaven knows where he was from.

    Can you switch from carpeneter to wheelwright? Seems a bit odd to me.

    ps just found him in 1851 :D:D:D:D
     
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    In a word, yes :)

    You had to be a carpenter to make a wheel and so if you made wheels you called yourself a wheelwright.
     
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    A wheelwright makes or repairs wooden wheels, so makes sense that a carpenter would do this.
     
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    Thank you both, I was completely off on metal wheels. Doh!
     
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    :D
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    Just noticed, in fact, that on the 1871 census I have a 3rd g-grandfather listed as 'master joiner', when in all previous records he was a 'master cartwright'.
     
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    Quite possibly how the name of some of my rellies first came into being. ;)
     
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    If he was like my GGF then he probably did funerals as well. I still have his quirking planes and my father had coffin boards in his workshop for years which his father left there.
     
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    A Wheelwright would be likely to get the local Blacksmith to manufacture the metal rim of the wheel so no reason a Carpenter couldn't make and repair wheels, probably a few tricks of the trade to pick up to become proficient.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    What I perceive to be the meanings is......Wright, a worker or shaper of wood and Smith a worker or shaper of metals. So heaven knows where Wordsmith comes from.
    My friends surname is Wainwright....a maker of wagons or carts who, if a master wainwright employed wheelwrights, blacksmiths and painters. The poor old painter didn’t get a smith or a wright. Paintsmith, paintwright.:(
    OK, so where does Cartwright fit in?
     
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    Cartwright is an English surname that originally means a maker of carts.
    (just a newer version of the name Wainwright. A bit like Cordwainer or Boot maker, both mean the same, one's old ones new. Wain being an old name for a cart)

    Wordsmith as a surname, a person who works with words, especially a skilful writer.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    I know what a wordsmith is, silly :). What I was eluding to is that ‘smith’ relates to metal so I was wondering where on earth the word, wordsmith came from, nothing to do with metal....oh forget it.:D I’m just being pedantic :rolleyes:
     
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    I’ve had a great day so I’m just passing on my happy.
     
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    :D oh I see what you mean. I don't know is the honest answer. I'll make something up :D.

    Maybe from the printing press where they used metal letters to print.
     
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    Good idea and no my happy didn’t come in a glass :D
     
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    OK. In the case of the word ‘smith’ I think it could mean metal skill. How’s that ? :rolleyes: I think I need a life.
     
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    Smith used to be written Smiþ the þ was known as Thorn an extra letter that used to be used in old English, it gave the 'th' sound to words. When the printing press came along they couldn't get hold of the þ character so changed it to th.

    The character '&' also used to be another letter in the English alphabet, it was a character made from combining E and T (ET meaning 'and' in Latin) so way back there were at least 28 letters in the English alphabet as opposed to todays' 26.
     
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    I need to get a life too :D
     

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