Charlotte and Celia Pettett

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    It's OK Wendy. I will play with Charlotte for a while and see what else I can come up with...Fulcher wise that is. I may need a hand after a bit if that's OK.
    BUT....there is another sister Margaret. She was baptised in 1823 in Rye. I have her with a young child, Margaret Ann Haw in 1841 living with Mum and Dad in Ticehurst. Then she seems to love-up with Benjamin Haw, the father and moves to Paddington where she is found in 1861 as Margaret Pettell (sic) Haw RG 9/10f 7 p8 (this from another forum)
    Info from that forum has Benjamin marrying a Rebecca Blake in 1834 in London. A child Charles, 6 with them in 1841, not found together after that. No marriage of Benjamin to Margaret.
    No trace of Margaret Pettet/Haw, Margaret Ann Haw after 1861. Well I wouldn't say no trace, just that I can't find anything.
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    Thought I may find Margaret snr with dtr & Hubby later on, but not yet.
    Is this the right one?
    Marriages Sep 1864 St. Luke 1B-1021
    wit's William & Mary Jane Dowers
    Name: Margaret Haw
    Spouse: James Dowers
    Father: Benjamin Haw
    Marriage: 8 Sep 1864 - St Barnabas, Finsbury
    .....
    1871 Bermondsey
    RG10; Piece: 632; Folio: 4; Page: 6
    James Dowers 26
    Margarite Dowers 27
    Ada Dowers 3
    James Dowers 6 Months
    Caroline Carter 20
    RG10; Piece: 632; Folio: 4; Page: 6;
    ,.......................
    1881
    James Dowers 33
    Mary Dowers 33
    James Dowers 9
    Christina Dowers 6
    Charles Dowers 3
    Henry Dowers 1
    RG11; Piece: 454; Folio: 108; Page: 17;

    time to prep doggies dinner, then mine;)
     
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    Marriage in 1864 looks good. 1871 looks OK too but her age out a bit. I believe she was a baby in 1841 census. Will have a look though. 1881 census, not sure as the 'Mary' is a bit of a worry as well as ages.
    Thanks for looking. Had a look at Booths Poverty Map for the latter date and don't think they were living in a lower poverty area but who knows.
    Does the 1871 census state who Caroline Carter was?
    Thanks Wendy.
    Enjoy your dinner. We had good old Aussie lamb cutlets. Yep, took a mortgage on the house :(
     
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    Caroline Carter -general servant of Bermondsey.
    48 Russell St.
    Fret not, I had oodles of Family living there in those years, they did okay.Most moved away when they could.
    1866 >13 Desborough Tce-Publican
    1870> 1870 Russell St. Publican
    I have just found more baptisms for children of a James & Margaret Dowers, some in Westminster & others in St.John Horselydown (as were many of mine) 1866 + 1870 he's a publican later a traveller 1875-Bapt. Abraham 8 June1875 39 Senior St. & Sarah Amy 8 Jun 1875 39 Senior St. Traveller.
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    1901 >1 Hall's place Paddington.
    Ada Dowers 20 -head,- dressmaker b.Marylebone
    RG13; Piece: 1; Folio: 139; Page: 51

    1911 @ 20 Duke Road, Chiswick
    ]Daniel Soames Reeve 60
    Martha Reeve 66]
    ....
    Margaret Dowers 68>one room. abt 1843 - Hurst Green, Sussex,
    Amy Dowers 38 single - Marylebone..[Emily Ada Bapt.Dec.30 1866?
    s: RG14; Piece: 6936; Schedule Number: 305
    ........
    they do become a bit puzzling, there is a James & Mary Ann Dowers. I didn't add this before but here goes, Saim is actually written as Sam'l.
    1891
    Saim Dowers (Sam'l) 43 furniture packer - Oxfordshire
    Margaret Dowers 45 dressmaker - Hurst Green Sussex.
    Sarah A. Dowers 17 dressmaker -London
    Mabel Dowers 9 ............Marylebone
    RG12; Piece: 97; Folio: 151; Page: 29;
    .....
    Mind is a muddle of names now, time to go read my book. (all about folk in Bermondsey 1920's onward.
    I find lamb too fatty in taste these days,we settled for chicken & garlic pasta with carbonara sce. quite yum..
     
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    Thanks. I'll look at that tomorrow after physio and ironing duties.
    Dinner sounded nice but I don't eat pasta. Too many carbs. Do love it though with a tomato based sauce though. Off to the cot now and it's raining. Yeah! Good night for sleeping.:)
     
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    I don't believe the 1881 with Mary is mine...
    but 1891 has Margaret Dowers with Samuel??? born Hurst Green could be as she was born Hurst Green, I said Ticehurst earlier but was Hurst Green.
    Now if she married James Dower then who the heck is Samuel?
    The name of Ada is mentioned. The lady who wrote the letter from the other thread, descended from Cecelia Bevis, Margaret's sister, is Ada! Maybe it was just a common name at the time.
    Oh, I'm so confused.:(
     
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    I'm with you there Sue.
    totally forget 1881 with James & Mary he was a rope-makers lab'r from M'sex Mary also from M'sex.

    I now cannot find them in 1881 unless names changed, there seem to be only about 44 Dowers about in age line. However I got led astray with I think) their son James -(Dentist) & his life-sad, etc. married Louisa Mary but it seems to have gone astray after two sons born.

    Re 1891 'Sam'l' Dowers, I did wonder if it was a flashback name in his family...remember baby Abraham- 8 Jun 1875.@ 39 Senior St. Traveller (died 1879) ? perhaps a Jewish line back thee somewhere or just friends.
    There place of birth rings same as earlier censuses .
    1911 Amy -dressmaker may be Sarah Amy bap'd. 1875.

    I have now such a long notepad on this family it takes a while to check things. I think you need a quiet long weekend alone to ponder, -or maybe it's just me.
    There are a few James Dowers about on electorals. 1901-1911
     
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    Looks like I can cross this little fellow off. Seems he died age 3 in 1879 June qtr Hackney, London.
    On we plod!

    :oops::oops::oops: You already told me that :rolleyes:
     
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    Back to Cecilia...1881 census
    Have now found Mary Elizabeth daughter of Cecilia and John Bevis married to Josiah Bowring (Bowering) coal miner living at 1 Court 1 Hargreaves Street Oldham
    Mary's place of birth is given as Ashford Kent.
    Children are Eliza, Cecilia and Joseph
    RG11 4068/93 page 11
    Ada Bowering (1887) not born yet see British Newspaper Archives thread.
    It's coming together:)
     
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    Happily now have 14 pages and 6 generations from Cecilia Pettett and John Bevis to present descendants :)
    Post #29 Mary Elizabeth was born Jan 1844 Ashford Kent and died 10 Sept 1927 Rhode Island.
    The siblings of Cecilia Pettett are certainly found in all corners of the globe :)
    Now for the others!
     
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    Thought I would let you know. A couple of emails today to and fro with Grand-daughter of Ada Bowering, the writer of the letter back in 1938 :)
    I'm just a bit chuffed :D
     
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    Rightly so Sue, Good going there. It pays to make contact some times.
     
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    Twas my 'Kentucky cousin' who made first contact by snail mail. Now all
    has broken loose and 3 long ago siblings have been reunited through us.:)
    Wish I could reunite the others. Will keep on trying though. Persistence is definitely the winner here.
     
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    If wishes were ...etc.you're doing more good as you are Sue. keep it going.
     
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    Today I had the absolute pleasure of having lunch with a cousin some once removed who brought with her the original marriage certificate of Charlotte and Cecilia's brother, convict Alfred Pettett and his wife, convict Caroline Storey. They were married in Hobart Tasmania in 1846. With a bit of work it seems Caroline or Alfred had scratched out any reference to a Hobart connection, trying to conceal their convict past.
    Also amongst the papers was a letter from the brother of Caroline, John Seago written to her at least 150 years ago although not dated, letting her know of his new address in Bermondsey. (I'll be after him shortly)
    An original, although second copy of the will of Caroline's aunt, Mary Armstrong who arrived here in 1806 with her convict husband, Robert Cable. Mary owned a large stake of Parramatta when she died but her new will was made on her death bed and a very long attempt to prove that she was defrauded had failed. She was by the way!
    Numerous letters written by an Aunt who started this search in about 1920 and very old family photos. One of the photos was of an Aunt taken when she was 18 months of age and her name, Edith May written on the back. The cousin I was with had no idea who she was. I knew, so now another cousin will have a photo of her mother she never knew existed.
    A very pleasant day. :)
     
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    How wonderful Am! My ancestors were regular folk, though nothing wrong with that! OH's ancestors were said to be Huguenots, am going to start on that one day.............
     
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    Forgot to add, amongst all these papers that, incidentally were in a long forgotten suitcase were receipts, bills etc from Caroline's funeral in 1868.
     
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    'Caroline's suitcase'- way better than pandora's box.
     
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