Chas.Alfred Hunp. WAllace

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  1. Londoner

    Londoner Will always roll up her sleeves and dig around

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    you'ld think that a name like that would be easy to find! This is how he was listed in the passenger list for the "Majestic" travelling to New York in 1923.(Family Search)
    However his surname was Wallis, the Hunp should be Humphreys and he and his wife are ruled through so I assume they didn't travel.
    As they were meant to be going to her brother in Brooklyn I searched for and found their marriage in 1915, her name was Josephine Kaspar.
    However I cannot find Charles between 1901 and the marriage, although I do have a possible as servant at Barker's store in 1911. If he was the Charles who died in 1936 then I have Josephine in 1939 and her subsequent marriage to Jack Crabb. But where did she come from? There are a couple of possibles for her brother but I don't know how to tie up districts with streets in US censuses.
     
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    did you see the bit on list that says Charles & Josephine are not on board NYT715_3406-0300.jpg
     
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    Londoner Will always roll up her sleeves and dig around

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    I missed that entirely. I was so excited to have found something about him at last. He was the eldest of my gt grandfather's brother's children, so a first cousin twice removed!
     
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    I'm willing to do some U.S. searching, but now I'm confused what names to search in which years? Clarification please (like I'm a six year old).
     
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    only other thing I have found sofar is that at least up to 1929 Josephine & Charles lived at 125 Carlton rd in St Pancras
    as for Josephine as Josephine Kaspar there seems to be a few women with that name are we sure she is american cos seems some from both USA and UK:nailbiting:
     
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    only Louis Kaspers in Brooklyn in 1930 us census are


    one 1870 one 1894 both Russian
    and one 1909 died 1984
    Louis was born on December 27, 1909 and passed away in November 1984. Louis was a resident of Brooklyn, New York.
    this is from FMP will look on other site later
     
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    too many Kaspars on other site for tonight o_O:confused: back tomorrow !!!
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    In 1930 there is a Lewis Casper Age 53 with wife Lessie 42 and 9 year old son LOUIS in Queens NY. Lewis is a Telegraph Inspector who immigrated to the US in 1882. Which means he came to the US at age around 5 years I’m assuming with family.
    In 1940 Lewis is now LOUIS age 62 with wife Celetc :rolleyes: (Celeste/Lessie) and 18 year old Louis. Still in Queens and says same place. Now a General Inspector Western Union. If this is the same Louis KaspAr/Kasper/Casper then all the family may have immigrated in 1882 when Josephine was a baby.
     
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    Hi,

    There are 2 pages to that passenger list. The reference to brother is in the column of relative/friend from whence you came. It should be a UK address.:confused:

    On page 2, column for relative/friend that they would have been destined to is sister Emily Bielefeld, Jamaica, New York. The very last column on Page 2 is city and country of birth. Josephine's is Lorraine Allsas (Alsace).

    There is a New York death index for Emily Kasper Bielefeld, age 68, b. 1871 France, widowed, d. 18 April 1939 Jamaica, New York, burial St. Johns cemetery, parents Xavier and Madeline Kasper, informant Emily Mustaver, niece.

    D:)
     
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    Thank you @demeler I never think to turn the page....:rolleyes:
     
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    Wow you have been busy while I was sleeping. I will have to check that all out when I get my laptop fired up, I did see a reference to Emily but didn't realise there was a second page!
     
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    Londoner Will always roll up her sleeves and dig around

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    Many thanks to all the above. I have a much clearer idea of Josephine's probable origins. I found a possible entry to the US as a lady's companion but no record of when she came to England. the Carlton Avenue address was useful as I found the couple there in 1931 but Josephine on her own in 1936 thus making the 1936 death more likely for Charles.
    Alsace is a tricky area as it was sometimes France and sometimes Germany! i have a feeling that my maternal Grandfather's family originated there although he was born in Cologne the Baehr name is also found across the Rhine!
     
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    Also found brother Louis, 1868-1941, married Madeleine Franz, with three daughters and son Louis, all to be found in US censuses 1900 onwards (Family Search)
     
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    Emily Mustaver was the daughter of Louis and Madeline Franz, she married Abraham Mustaffa who presumably anglicised his name
     
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    Hi,

    AM.. have done the same too many times to admit to.:eek:

    You're welcome.:)

    Perhaps you have already spotted this, but just in case. It looks like there is another sister.

    UK Incoming Passenger List for Emily Bielefeld 26 April 1923 from New York to Plymouth, England destined to 125 Carlton Rd., London.

    On her return journey, New York Passenger List, the 29 Sept. 1923 from Boulognes Sur Mer to New York, says she is b. Betschdorf, France, her from whence relative is sister Mrs. E. Morlent, 14 rue de Rocroy, Paris, France.

    D:)
     
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    Thanks, I wouldn't have found the NY arrival as I only have UK sub at Ancestry.
    What a shame she didn't give her sister's full name, I can't find anything about her on Family Search.
     
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    Hi,

    Not picking up anything on Mrs. E. Morlent either.

    Just trying to find an obit for brother Louis in the hope that it mentions siblings, but so far...hmpf.:(

    You can see that passenger list through Family Search, "New York Passenger Arrival Lists (Ellis Island) 1892-1924".
     

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