Chasing Georgina Mundy b. 1871

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  1. Murfomurf

    Murfomurf Well-Known Member

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    I REALLY cannot find any reference to this person except on her marriage to Thomas Rogerson in 1891 at Stourbridge, Worcestershire and in the Censuses following this. Another person has a very definite date and place for her birth (or baptism) and I cannot discover where they obtained it. They say:
    Georgina Mundy was born 5 Jul 1871, Small Heath, Birmingham, Warwickshire, England; but I cannot find a trace of her in the FreeBMD nor in the GRO, or FamilySearch. I assume another popular database contains her details but I cannot access it- could a kind person have a look for me, please? I want to know who her parents were for the good old Family Tree.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    There is another Georgina marrying Thomas Rogerson in Staffordshire. Which one do you think is yours?
    Then this:-
    Name: Georgina Rogerson
    Death Date: 25 Oct 1959
    Death Place: Worcestershire, Worcester, England
    Probate Date: 10 Dec 1959
    Probate Registry: Birmingham, England
    Georgina rogerson, widow of 1 Waresley court Rd,Hartlebury Worcestershire died 25 Oct. 1959 at blakebrook Hospital Kidderminster. Admin. Birmingham 10 Dec. to william Henry Rogerson retired farm worker .
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    Name: Georgina Rogerson
    Gender: Female
    Marital status: Married
    Birth Date: 5 Jul 1871
    Residence Year: 1939
    Address: Glenanon
    Residence Place: Seisdon, Staffordshire, England
    Occupation: Housewife
    Inferred Spouse: Thomas Rogerson
    Household Members:
    Name
    Thomas Rogerson
    Georgina Rogerson
    George H Wilkes
    Florence E Wilkes
    Source Citation
    The National Archives; Kew, London, England; 1939 Register; Reference: RG 101/5474D
    tna_r39_5474_5474d_005
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    I wonder if hewas married before as GRO has no-one of that name b. 1871+1. Neither has FreeBmd.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Do these people ring any bells for you?
    1891
    Name: Georgina Rogerson
    Gender: Female
    Age: 19
    Relationship: Niece
    Birth Year: 1872
    Birth Place: Birmingham, Warwickshire, England
    Civil Parish: Kingswinford
    Ecclesiastical parish: Holy Trinity
    Residence Place: Lawnswood, Kingswinford, Staffordshire, England
    Registration District: Stourbridge
    Sub registration district: Kingswinford
    ED, Institution or Vessel: 6
    Neighbors: View others on page
    Piece: 2306
    Folio: 98
    Household Members:
    Name Age
    John Elmore 53
    Catherine Elmore 38
    William Walker 13
    Thomas Rogerson 22
    Georgina Rogerson 19
    George Dodwell 13
    Charles Mallett 6
    RG12; Piece: 2306; Folio: 98; Page: 6
     
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    Couldn't find a birth/baptism for her, but found these marriage details.

    Georgina Mundy
    Age is 19
    Marriage date is 29 Mar 1891
    Marriage place is Kingswinford, Stafford, England
    Father of bride is George Edward Mundy
    Spouse is Thomas Rogerson
    Age is 22
    Spouse father's name i Isaac
    Spouse's father's last name Rogerson
    Residence is Kingswinford, Stafford, England
    County is Staffordshire
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    #3 RG12; Piece: 2306; Folio: 98; Page: 6
    Somehow left out that-
    Thomas Rogerson 22 -nephew
    Georgina Rogerson 19- niece
    George Dodwell 13 -nephew.
     
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    Georgina Mundy who married at Kingswinford is the same person as the one registering the marriage at Stourbridge, which is classified as within Worcestershire. Stourbridge is the FreeBMD area for the church at Kingswinford where Georgina married. Stacks of my relatives have the same places recorded. Also the Census where Georgina (married to Thomas Rogerson) is the niece of John Elmore is the correct person but I don't know who the others are- I was going to try to construct a family tree from them but haven't done that yet. The Probate mentioning William Henry Rogerson comes from the same family- William H is the son of Georgina and Thomas, b.1893. The 1939 Register has that date for Georgina's birth! I hadn't got there yet obviously! I guess a previous marriage for Georgina might be on the cards and could be where she acquired Mundy as her surname. However I cannot locate any marriages between a Mundy (plus variations) and a Georgina between 1886 and 1890. There were 5 Georginas registered in Birmingham from 1 Jun to 31 Dec in 1871 but none of them married a Mundy. I am stumped!
     
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    Catherine Elmore was born Catharine Munday,
    Mar 1854 • Barford, Warwickshire, England; Reg. Warwick V6d p440; mother was Elizabeth Reading and father Charles Leonard Mundy
     
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    Given the age gap it is possible that Georgina is Catherine's daughter.
    In 1881 there is a possible family in Kidderminster.
    Matthew Snell with wife Catherine, children Georgina and Willie and mother in law Elizabeth Reading.
    I cannot see a marriage to Matthew or a birth of Georgina Snell so perhaps he is not the father.
    May be a red herring! Will look further...
     
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    The marriage in FamilySearch for Georgina Mundy says her father was George Edward Mundy.
     
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    Perhaps a fictional name if illegitimate?
    Separately, looking at the nephew George Dodwell on the 1891 census there is a possible birth in 1878, George Edward Dodwell mmn Reading
     
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    Looking at poss siblings of Catherine I think Louisa Annie married a William Mallard. They are in Kidderminster in 1891 with children and mother in law Elizabeth Munday
     
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    Catherine's sister Fanny married a George Edward Dodwell in 1876. They are also in Kidderminster I think in 1881. Transcribed Dodiret on FS. Two children, May age 4 and George E 3.
    I guess it is possible that Georgina, possible daughter of Catherine Snell/Mundy in 1881 was actually Fanny's daughter.
     
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    Assume this date of birth came from the 1939 Register where she can be found with Thomas and possibly a married daughter Florence E WILKES and her husband George H WILKES? Living at "Glenavon", Kinver, Seisdon R.D., Staffordshire?

    Not yet found a birth reg, but will keep looking.
     
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    Catherine Mundy married John Elmore in Stourbridge dist in 1888.
    There is also a marriage of a Catherine Mundy in Warwick dist in 1873 to a William Smith which I am curious about.

    There is a birth of a Georgina Smith Sep Q 1872 West Bromwich dist but that has no mother's maiden name. No forget Georgina Smith, her mother shown as Mary Smith on baptism.
     
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    I wonder if Georgina is a case of a step daughter being given the name of a new husband for a widow? I've seen that on a few of my relatives' marriages. Will have to look at marriages for a woman with a child named Georgina to a George Edward or Edward George Mundy/Munday/Monday after 1871 and see if that works.
     
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    She is rather elusive before her marriage, isn't she?
     
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    Ermagerd yes!!
     
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    I've had absolutely no success in finding Georgina's birth and I suspect she wasn't registered.

    Thought I would try and summarise my thoughts.

    Looking at the Munday family, father Charles died Mar Q 1871.
    In 1871 census Elizabeth is a widow in Barford with daughters Sarah J and Louisa. Fanny is a 14 yr old servant with the Beech family in Warwick.
    Catherine is possibly an under nurse in Tunbridge Wells. Joseph may be in the military.

    Sarah married Thomas Colledge in Barford in Feb 1872
    Catherine married William Smith in Barford in Aug 1872 (It is definitely her, image on FS)
    Fanny married George Edward Dodwell in 1876
    Joseph married Elizabeth Grout in Hampshire in 1879
    Louisa married William Mallard in 1880

    Georgina is thought to have been born in 1871.
    Georgina's mother may be Sarah, Catherine or Fanny. Louisa is too young. Elizabeth the widow of Charles was 52 on the 1871 census but she does seem unlikely.

    In 1881 the Colledges are in Brinklow near Rugby, the Mallards are in Kidderminster, the Dodwells are in Kidderminster. Also in Kidderminster are the Snells. This family does seem to include Catherine (Mundy), mother Elizabeth(widow of Charles) and Georgina tho the age is a little out. So what happened to Catherine's husband William Smith, and who is Willie? Children are described as son and daughter of Matthew and Catherine Snell. Matthew seems to disappear after this.

    In 1888 Catherine married John Elmore as Catherine Mundy ( was she a widow?) and Georgina is with the Elmores in 1891 along with Fanny's son George.

    No sign of Georgina being registered or baptised as a Munday, Mundy, Smith, Snell, Dodwell or Colledge that I can see so far.
    She may have been born to any of the sisters but brought up by Catherine and grandmother Elizabeth. Or she may be Catherine's child.
    My imagination can think up many possible scenarios!
    Hope someone can discover what actually happened.:)
     
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    Thank you for all that digging @Grizel , I had got about 50% of it but abandoned ship earlier than you did. She remains a mystery as to birth. That's life/death etc.
     
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