Couple of questions

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  1. Findem

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    1) In 1863 is it likely that a a couple could be married at a Registry Office, not a church involved, I would imagine it to be possible but I don't know?

    2) In 1894 is it likely that a person could die and be buried without the church involvement, i.e. therefore no Parish Burial Register entry?

    An Eliza Card's marriage to Edward Hammond was registered June quarter of 1863 at Chelmsford Registry District, which means Sandon or Chelmsford could most likely be the marriage place and of course other places in that Registry District

    An ancestor Sarah Card nee Warner died 18 Feb 1894 at Chelmsford, Essex, Sarah and husband, John Card married and baptised children at Sandon, Essex from 1836 and they were in Sandon until at least 1881 when her husband John died there.

    I have searched Ancestry's Essex Parish Register Index, FreeReg, Family Search and the initial search on FMP for the burial and the marriage, with no success, no matter what I try. Of the 10 out of 11 children who lived to be married, the marriage of Eliza Card and Edward is the only one I failed to find in Parish Registers, burials of John and Sarah Card's children, not so good but they scattered at and after marriage.

    Btw I did search for a remarriage for Sara Card and under her maiden name Sarah Warner 1881 to 1895, just in case, zero result.
     
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    Yes, since 1837 when Register Offices were set up.
    Is this the one that you are looking at?
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    Couple of possibilities:
    a) it was recorded in the Non-Conformist registers and therefore not appearing in the parish register
    b) it has not appeared online yet.
     
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    Thought:

    Have you checked local newspapers for a funeral announcement or obituary?
     
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    My G2Grandparents were married in St Lukes Register Office in October 1842.
     
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    My 2x great grandparents married in the Leicester Register office in 1858.
     
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    Yes I to have ancestors married in the Register Office at that time and earlier, sometimes done 'quietly' as they had been living as a married couple for some years.

    I also have ancestors that are not in the parish burial record when you would think they should be. There must be a lot of reasons that happened.
    I have one poor chap whose funeral arrived at the church only for them to be refused the service. I never got to the bottom of it, apparently there were misunderstandings with the clergy. He had to be taken on to a non consecrated ground and had no service.

    I guess there are also omissions in the register, the vicar forgot or got distracted. So maybe quite a few reasons.
     
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    Thanks Andromeda, I've sent off the request for the burial date.
     
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    No I haven't done that, I might give it a go, or try to. :rolleyes: :)

    I'm hoping the Chelmsford Cemetery burial date request I've sent off today will give me the burial date.
     
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    Thanks all for your input, I'm considering sending for the marriage certificate, it seems a shame not to have full date and place where all other events on the family group sheet have them. I have exhausted any other way of achieving that end and let's face it, if I can't take it with me I might just as well spend some of it. :rolleyes: :D
     
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