Darenth, Kent - and then where?

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  1. Ma-dotcom

    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    1869 Susannah Martin in Workhouse 'in labour' along with dtr Celia A. b. 1861. Husband Henry died 1861
    1869 Birth of Georgina Martin -18 Jan.?
    1871 Susannah Martin with 'spouse' George Martin & two dtrs Celia A. 9[Celida on Anc.] & Georgina 2
    Susannah died in 1872. George not found after this time.
    1881 Georgina found in Darenth, Kent institution- an imbecile. also 1891. Not found with certainty after that year, but evidently Darenth didn't like to keep them after 16 yrs of age.
    Sister Celia married in 1892 but 1911 finds her with husband at No 19 Parkshot, Richmond, also in institution- a lunatic. Brookwood Woking.
    One other sister survived to marry & have family.

    Was there a problem in this family or with the men involved with this family?

    My time clock has just told me to go to bed but I wanted to post this first in hope some one can add anything helpful.

    I've not found a comparable death for Georgina, If anyone can find any news of her I'd be most grateful.
    Pardon my post & run but I've spent much of the day searching for these people.

    1871
    RG10; Piece: 514; Folio: 7; Page: 7;
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Seems lots of Martins getting together with Martins :oops:
     
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    No luck with Georgina :(
    A Celia Annie Martin married Charles Gurr Mar qtr 1894 Darford 2a 648
    1901 census - 4 West Street, Pleasant View, Erith, Dartford
    RG13/698/101/19
    Charles Gurr b1855
    Sellia A (sic) b1858 Southfleet Kent
    Charles J C b1895 Erith

    Charles James Clarence Gurr birth reg Mar qtr 1896 Dartford 2a 499 mmn Martin

    1911 census - 41 Manor Street, Erith - RG14 PN3742 SN50
    Cela Ann Gurr widow b1858 Southfleet
    Charles son b 1896 Erith
    + 2 boarders
    Married 17 years, 3 births 1 living 2 died

    There is a death of Charles Gurr - Dec qtr 1903 Dartford 2a 314, but the age 42 is out a bit
    There is a death of Celia A Gurr - Sept qtr 1919 Dartford 2a 527 age 61
     
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    Oh how I wish that was my Celia Anna. My Lass married Henry Kemp (St. John's Church Richmond,) who was evidently from Sussex & previously married to Anne Chalk in Kensington. She died in 1889 Richmond S.
    Celia's father on wedding papers was Henry a 'tanner' so correct.
    Thank you all for trying.
    I did wonder if 'George Martin' was his real name as I had been unable to find him before or after 1871. There was a lot of them about tho'.

    p.s. I did find a Georgina Martin after 1881 in the workhouse taken there from Mrs 'someones' house- perhaps a servant, but wasn't convinced as there were a few Georginas about also.
     
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    Curses :headbang:- I knew the Southfleet bit was wrong, but hoped she had thought that was her birth place.
     
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    I couldn't leave this alone nor Georgina unfound so went looking at Asylums etc. Bear with me if you have a few idle minutes to follow Georgina's rather sad young life, although it would appear she did leave Darenth soon after 1891 as shown in a snip later.
    'Georgiane' Martin with Celia & their Mother Susannah who has bad leg, is a destitute widow & seamstress of 37 White st. Borough
    Admission Age: 10/12
    Birth Date: abt 1869
    Admission Date: 3 Mar 1870
    Admission Place:Southwark, Southwark, London, England
    1871 She was living with a 'George Martin' & her two daughters.
    ...
    Code:
    http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/LondonOrphan/
    Code:
    http://www.workhouses.org.uk/ForestGateSD/
    Code:
    http://www.childrenshomes.org.uk/list/MD.shtml
    Code:
    http://www.workhouses.org.uk/MAB-Darenth/
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    **this site gave me link to Ancestry's workhouse records & there I found more on Georgina & family

    The London, England, Workhouse Admission and Discharge Records, 1764-1930 are searchable by name
    ..............
    'Georgiane' Martin-abt 1869
    3 Mar 1870 Admission Place:Southwark Southwark, Southwark
    Georgina Martin-abt 1869
    6 Apr 1870 Discharge Place:Southwark,
    Georgina Martin
    26 Nov 1870 Admission Place:Southwark Southwark, Southwark
    Georgina Martin-abt 1869-
    30 Jan 1871 discharge to- Southwark, Southwark, London, England
    Georgiana Martin-abt 1869
    8 Feb 1872 admitted from-Tower Hamlets, Stepney 9 Feb 1872
    Thurs Feb. 8 1872 Susannah & Girls admitted.Widow of Henry, a tanner.
    Girls to Forestgate School 9 Feb.1872.
    Susannah died 26 Feb.1872 --Phthisis &c
    Georgina Martin-abt 1869
    5 Jun 1875 admitted from-school by Matron -Tower Hamlets, Stepney-
    discharged to Clapton asylum on 17 Jun 1875
    1881 - 1891 Georgina in Darenth asylum, Kent. Possibly because she didn't fit the required niceness expected at Clapton.It's children were moved to the new buildings at Watford as a more healthy environment.
    They liked children/orphans from decent people/those who were married. :( Then again by this time she may have had actual mental problems caused by her unstable life.
    Georgina Martin no known cause but listed in red as Homeless & w'house born.
    abt 1869- 20 Sep 1893 admitted from & discharged to-Tower Hamlets, Stepney 20 Jul 1894 where she evidently worked as a servant for M.A."Blys' or "Bolys" can anyone pick the name from the snip?
    Georgina Martin-abt 1869
    20 Sep 1893 admitted from-Tower Hamlets, Stepney discharged 27 Jul 1894

    Deaths Sep 1898
    Martin Georgina 29 Portsea 2b-298 Probably my Georgina as no others seem to be of the Portsea are in that birth time frame.

    Georgina -servant.JPG
     
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    Not sure, but to me it looks like M A Bys.

    This might help Georgina -servant.JPG someone.
     
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    Thanks Sis, it's difficult as written by different people I guess & one more hurried than the other. The 2nd one appears to have a letter before the upstroke one. I tried a few 1891 censuses but no real luck & by then eyes were complaining.
     
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    On closer inspection it does look like that. If I had seen this was on it'sown I would have said Boys.
    georgina.JPG
     
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    I take it these are 2 separate entries? I see initials:

    1 - "From Home of M A B G S"
    2 - "From. Home M.A.B.G.S." or "M. A. Bdgs" (buildings?)

    Could it be an abbreviation?

    Jane
     
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    Well found Wendy - sad life:(

    Georgina may not have had mental problems, she could have been a Downs child, had epilepsy or any manner of problems that we would not call inbecile today. As for Celia, I do wonder if the entry, made by her husband was just spite or that he inability to have a living child had caused some depression. My uncle's (by marriage) mother was put in an instution after having babies that did not survive (he was the only one), she was probably just suffering from post natal depression but from a young woman remained in there all of her life. He was raised by an aunt. This was in the 1920's:(
     
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    These situations are very sad.:(
     
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    M.A. Bdgs = Metropolitan Asylums Buildings perhaps?
     
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    I think you may have cracked it @kernowmaid and @Daft Bat, good one!


    Code:
    http://www.workhouses.org.uk/MAB/
     
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    Clever girl Jane, so well could be. Where in she was a servant or at least lived there. she was admitted on the order of Mr Vallance, who ever or from wherever he was, no I shall not look for him. ;)

    Oh have just scrolled down to Jan's entry. What a Bonza Lass you is Jan. I'd given up logical thinking some hours ago. Thank you.
     
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    @MollyMay , so could be the truth. Her Mother Susannah had 4 children who didn't live past 1 year before the other girls came along. No knowing if the other children heard of them or not.
    Re-Georgina perhaps she didn't leave the institutional life after all, but if Portsea death is hers-mayhap she did, eventually.
    Georgina would have been my 1st cousin x 3 removed.
     
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