Davies , Dolau.

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  1. Paul Hamer

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    I have the name of a farm which was the family farm , i only have a rough idea of the names and not sure of the spelling it is Llandwr and the area was The Myleneth , i am unable to find these on the maps that i have.
     
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    Paul do you have any other hints as to the district. Maps seem to place Llandwr in Carmarthenshire, then send you to Llandwr farm near Abergavenny. No hint of a nearby Myleneth or similar, I even popped in a 'w' but no help. Is it possible that was an old name-now not used?
     
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    This website may throw some light on things:

    http://powysenc.weebly.com/elfael---evans.html

    I think it’s very likely that “The Myleneth” is actually the Maelienydd mentioned in the article. For those who aren’t aware, the pronunciation would be very similar.

    Welsh “Mae” is pronounced “My” and the double d at the end of Maelienydd is pronounced to rhyme with the “th” in “there”.
     
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    That's Chimp's neck of the woods, but hopefully he's in the land of nod right now ;). I'm sure he'll be looking in here tomorrow though and may have an idea where the place is :)
     
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    Mealymoo A Busy Lizzy

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    Thanks Moff, sorry I posted before seeing your helpful post :oops:
     
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    Maelienydd is the Welsh spelling. Wikipedia has a description of the area and a map to help narrow down your search.
     
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    Londoner Will always roll up her sleeves and dig around

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    There is a village called Llanyre, just west of Llandridnod Wells that might be what you are looking for
     
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    I must have been writing while you were posting, Moff. I didn't see that you had already come to the same result!
     
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    I've not heard of some of these places. I know where Dolau (pronounced Dolly) is.
     
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    Thank you all and Moff that makes interesting reading some of those names sort of ring some bells , unfortunatly my father is now in a home suffering with Lewy Body Dementia and i fear that my time has run out to get information from him but i intend to make a journey up to Dolau church yard to explore the headstones very soon.
     
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    Do you have details of your relatives who lived at the family farm? If you can find them on a census or electoral roll you might get a more definite idea of the name of the place :)
     
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    This information has been givern to me it is as follows,

    "My Dad is Frank Jones - he was born in 1925 and grew up on Maelienydd. There isn't a farm called Llandwr, there is however a small farm called Glandwr. Oddly enough we were talking about this last weekend as my friend has just moved there. When Dad was young there was on old gentleman called Aaron Davies living there. He also had a brother Davey (Dad refers to him as whiskers lol) who lived at the Heath, Beacon Hill (near Llangunllo)".

    Indeed Aaron and Davey were my great grandfathers brothers but that is all i know..
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    I think it might be in the area shown on this Geograph page:

    http://www.
    geograph.org.uk/browse.php?gridref=SO1171

    Click on the OS map to open a more detailed map in a new window. There is a Glan-dŵr marked on that map. Pan to the east a bit to see the area marked as Maelienydd (a Site of Special Scientific Interest, I think).

    NB that the bottom photograph on the page shows 'access road to Clan-dwr' which I guess is the same as Glan-dŵr.

    . . . and at last I have found Glandwr on a census! (it comes under the parish of Llanbister). And there is a Davies family there in 1901:

    John Davies, head, married, 49, farmer, own account
    Ann Davies, wife, married, 45
    Aaron Davies, son, 10

    all born Radnorshire, Llanbister
    ref: RG 13/5183, f.22, p.4
     
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    Here are some recent sales particulars for Glandwr:

    http://www.
    mccartneys.co.uk/3-bedroom-property-for-sale-in-Llandrindod-Wells-LD1-mccrps-LLA120093
     
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    This is a very interesting read
    http://a-day-in-the-life.powys.org.uk/eng/cult/eu_wjbufton.php

    and i am wondering if this is the the beginning of my Grandmothers family at Glandwr.
    "Wednesday 16 March Sale of Glandwr at Walsh Arms Llandewy Got up about 8.30. Beautiful and fine morning. After writing one or two letters we started for Llandewy. Got there about 2 o'clock. Held the sale at Walsh Arms. Not a great many people there. Commenced the sale about 3 p.m. The property was started at £100 and was knocked down at the sum of £175 to John Davies of Llwyn. Got the contract signed and started back. Evening had a game of billiards at Rock."
     
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    What a fascinating find, Paul!

    I'm sure that must be your John Davies buying the property, as on the 1881 and 1891 censuses he was at The Llwyn, in the township of Church, parish of Llanbister. If you don't already have these census details, do say and I'll post them here.
     
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    Thank you so much i would love to see them , thanks again..
     
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    Here they are:

    1881 (RG 11/5474, f.6, p.6)
    The Llwyn, township of Church, parish of Llanbister
    John Davies, head, married, 28, Ag. Lab.
    Ann ", Wife, ", 25 , " wife
    Elizabeth ", Daur., 5
    John ", Son, 2
    all born Radnor[shire], Llanbister

    1891 (RG 12/4583, f.7, p.8)
    The Llwyn, township of Church, parish of Llanbister
    John Davies, Head, m., 38, Agricultural Labourer
    Ann ", Wife, m., 35
    John ", Son, 12, Scholar
    David ", Son, 9, Scholar
    William ", Son, 8(?), Scholar
    Winifred A. ", Daur, 5, Scholar
    Aaron ", Son, 10(?) mo.
    all born Radnorshire Llanbister
    [the person later analysing the ages has put heavy lines through the ages so they're quite hard to make out. William could be 6 rather than 8; I am not sure about the second digit of Aaron's age]

    The eldest daughter Elizabeth is perhaps away in service somewhere in 1891 - from the 1911 census (when John & Ann were alone at Glandwr) all six of their children were still alive then. (They also said in 1911 that they'd been married 35 years.)
     
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    My Great Grandfather born 1882 this would have made him 8/9 in 1891 .
     

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