Death by drowning

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  1. Phil Smith

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    With regards to the Sarah Smith (nee Rosser) family, I found her on the 1841 census living in Cwm Maesruded in the Bedwellty area. The father David Rosser is a 55 year old collier but, no wife appears on that census. Although the 1841 census is quite scant with giving information it does confirm that he was not born in the Bedwellty area. I searched around the David Rosser birth records and came up with a 1786 birth in Swansea. I believe that he married Jane Griffiths in Swansea in 1816. Jane Rosser died in the Bedwellty area in 1839 which would explain her being missing from the 1841 census. My theory obviously and only too happy for your input......
     
  2. Brentor boy

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    With 1841 showing David Rosser born "out of county" and the Swansea birth in 1786 matching the 1848 death of David Rosser, I can appreciate your logic. The death of Jane in 1839, means that we have no clue as to her origins.
    For reasons I explained earlier, I opted for the David Rosser/ Jane Richards marriage, Llantrisant, 1814. (David was "of Bedwellty"). The David Rosser/ Jane Griffiths marriage, Swansea, is equally valid. Which either one is "ours", where were the other David and Jane in 1841?
    I looked for Lousia (1835) in 1851 hoping she would be with relatives, but she was a live--in servant.
    To be honest, with so many variables and unknowns, and only on-line sources, I did not pursue this line with any great dedication. Perhaps it's time for me to take a fresh look.
     
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    I have done the same as you (searched for Louisa) with the same thoughts. I did, however, find this which is quite interesting as it has to be her, she would have been 17 years old. Louisa.JPG
     
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    I had deduced that Louisa had married Samuel Kean but could not find them together in 1861 to prove it. It is now obvious why!
     
  5. Archie's Mum

    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Must look into Rossers who married into hubby’s family.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Done that. Mine are from Llanelly, Breck Nockam. Quite a common name in those parts.
     
  7. Findem

    Findem The Fearless One

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    I wonder how many people on here haven't had to do the same, if any, I know I have on more than one occasion. :)
     
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    I bet we all can own up to doing that ... I have !! It pays to double check as new information comes out!
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Well I did move a Lass from Surrey to Devon to marry & raise kids until it just looked really silly so went back & found her- with some help- where she should have been in Bermondsey :D
     
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    So, was your 'lass' a Smith and linked to this thread or have we just been hi-jacked ?
     
  11. Tassie Lass

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    Hi Phil, I have been researching The Smith Family from Pantywaun for many years. My husband descends from Robert & Sarah through their son Joseph(1855) Have you seen the Bond for Joseph Smith which was administered to Jennet Jones in 1849?
    Kind regards
    Vanessa Smith
     
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    Hello, Venessa. Welcome to G S.
    I, too, have an interest in Robert and Sarah Smith - my wife is descended from their daughter, Jane (1847).
    I have had contact with Phil in the past concerning our shared interest but that has now lapsed.
    I have some limited information about the Smiths of Pantywain, although I have to admit some of it is rather speculative, but I am happy to share what I have. Do you have any particular gaps?
     
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    Hi Brentor Boy, over the years we have exchanged emails via various genealogy chats. So hello once again. I did msg you earlier this year in regard to Joseph Smith's headstone, but it now seems a photo of the headstone is not possible. My research stops with Joseph & Jennet, and I also have been hoping to find that Jennet's father was a "Robert" in keeping with Welsh naming conventions. I did find through Welsh Wills, a Robert Llewellyn from Llanwonno who had a mother and sister called Gwenllian. Unfortunately he was not the correct age to be Jennet's father but could possibly be a relative. Very difficult family to trace. I have had some previous success with Wills & bonds and found that Jennet Jones received Joseph's estate in 1849, 19 years after he died, which included a dwelling house & garden, household furniture and "club" money, but they must of already sold the house as it was crossed off the inventory! I am keen to know as much as I can about any of Robert and Sarah's children, so any information is most welcome.
    Kind regards
    Vanessa
     
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    Hi Vanessa. I am sorry I did not recognise you. All I know of the origins of Jennet Llewellyn/Smith/ Jones is that she was probably born circa 1806/7 in Llanwonno, which you already know. I have made no serious attempt to trace her any further backwards. I presume you have the details of her three children with Joseph Smith and her five children with George Jones.
    The Letters of Administration issued in 1849 were required in the absence of a valid will by Joseph Smith. Why the application was delayed for 19 years is peculiar. The most likely explanation is that Jennet assumed ownership but was then required to show legal title, possibly because she wished to sell property, although the deletion from the inventory of the house is confusing.
    There is strong circumstantial evidence the Sarah Rosser, Robert's wife, was the daughter of David Rosser and Jane Richards who married in Llantrisant in 1814, but I know that Phil Smith is of a different opinion.
    I have identified the following of Robert and Sarah's children:- Jane,1847, Mary Ann, 1849, Jennet, 1853, Joseph, 1855, Henry,1857, David,1860, Ann, 1862 and Sarah,1865.
    In 1861 a son, Morgan, is listed. I believe that the enumerator originally noted Mary Ann, but when he transcribed his notes to the master record he misread this as Morgan. The name Gwenllian is also listed, and this is more confusing. The GRO Index lists a Jennet Smith. Jun Q 1851. Merthyr Tydfil Mmn Rosser and Jennet Smith. Mar Q 1853. Merthyr Tydfil. Mmn Rosser, but I can find no record of a Gwenllian.
    I have the descent of Jane(1847) in detail and a few other possible marriages, but perhaps they should be on a separate message.
     
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