Did Henry Bisgrove and Elizabeth Coombs actually marry?

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  1. Murfomurf

    Murfomurf Well-Known Member

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    Here I go with another mystery marriage: I know that these two had a partnership because Coombs is given on the GRO Birth records for their children born after Sep 1837. eg.

    BISGROVE, ELIZA COOMBS
    GRO Reference: 1848 D Quarter in BRIDGWATER UNION Volume 10 Page 320

    I have searched FamilySearch, FreeReg. and FreeBMD plus any online trees but have not come up with any likely marriages in that South West area of England. On FamilySearch I found a Henry Bisgrove marrying a Betty/Betsey Hicks at about the right time (1824), but nothing to support the idea that Betsy had ever been Elizabeth Coombs.

    I am wondering if you excellent fossickers-through-Parish-records could find an alternative, believable marriage for this pair? They had 6 children who survived long enough to be in at least one England Census, so they must have stayed together.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Are we talking Somerset?
    I found the marriage of Henry and Betsey. Also the birth of Caroline Bisgrove 6/2/1825 Winsome Somerset. Father Henry mother Betsey. In 1841 Caroline seems to be living, age 15 in the household of Abram Tanner in Banwell Somerset. Now to find Betsey later on. Dead or alive.
     
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    What was the names of their other children?
     
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    There were 6 altogether that I found:
    Caroline Bisgrove 1826, Susannah/Susan 1836 (my apparent relative), Joseph 1839, Isaac 1842, John 1846 and Eliza 1848.
     
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    Just found out Joseph has mother listed as Hicks! From the GRO:

    BISGROVE, JOSEPH HICKS
    GRO Reference: 1837 D Quarter in AXBRIDGE UNION Volume 10 Page 252
     
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    Do you think that the ages on the censuses for the children may be wrong. There is the marriage that you found for Bisgrove and Hicks but there is a marriage in 1846 for William Bisgrove to Rebekah Coombes.

    Is there a possibility that the Eliza born 1848 is the daughter of William and Rebekah and not Henry and Betsey.
     
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    Maybe the names are incorrect but the Baptism of Caroline has Henry and Betsy and I just found a marriage for a Henry Bisgrove in 1847 but the only Coombs mentioned is a Luke Coombs. Could this be a mistake on the part of the person registering the names when Luke Coombs was the FATHER of Elizabeth?
    Marriages Mar 1847 (>99%)
    BISGROVE Henery Axbridge 10 493
    BISGROVE Henry Axbridge 10 493
    CLAPP Jane Axbridge 10 493
    COOMBS Luke Axbridge 10 493
     
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    I questioned it when I saw that marriage in Axbridge with Luke Coombs thinking that they had mistakenly written Luke and not Elizabeth. Lots of mysteries around these names.
     
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    Found FreeReg. Baptisms for all Pre-1837 baptisms in the family plus a few extra who must have died as infants with mother Betsy sometimes shown as Elizabeth. It seems the youngest child, Eliza, is the only one with mother Coombs- trust me to pick out the exception! LOL Now I need to find the Baptism of Elizabeth Coombs- a terribly common name in that area, but hopefully not too many Lukes as dads.
     
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    Have you found the family in 1851?
    HO107/1936/682/26 - living in Banwell were Henry and Elizabeth with children, Caroline, Susan, Joseph, Isac, John and Eliza along with John Bisgrove, visitor.
     
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    I would think this is your couple - sorry that it doesn't help with your original query :rolleyes:
    Sherborne Mercury 3rd July 1855
    John Millard of Banwell, labourer and pensioner, was summoned by Henry Bisgrove and Betsy Bisgrove, his wife, of Banwell, for an assault. It appeared from the evidence of Betsy Bisgrove and her daughter, that the defendant has been in the habit of entering the house and assaulting and abusing them; that on or about the 15th instant, he, when in a state of intoxication, went into Bisgrove’s house and commenced beating and abusing them with a stick, and made the woman’s face bleed very much. The assault being proved, Millard was fined 10s and c9osts 3s 5d, in default to be imprisoned three weeks; money paid.

     
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    It certainly sounds like the same people, so thank you. It may lead to more info about the people in the family and neighbourhood which is enlightening.
     
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    Deaths

    Isaac Bisgrove
    Birth year: 1840
    Age: 22
    Residence: Banwell
    Burial date: 03 Mar 1862, Banwell
    Denomination: Anglican
    Relative's relationship: Son Of Henry & Elizabeth Bisgrove

    Joseph Bisgrove
    Birth year: 1838
    Age at death: 36y
    Death Date: 10 Jul 1874
    Burial date: 17 Jul 1874, St Andrew, Banwell
    Denomination: Anglican
     
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    Thanks, Chimp- definitely family members. I have a fair summary of the family now so they can go onto my tree. Still hasn't solved my connection to my (apparent) New Zealand cousin who lives and works in Tokyo. We are still wading through endless Davis, Murray, Chalmers and Blacks in New Zealand, Scotland and Canada.
     
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