Do you think I have the right man?

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  1. Chimp

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    William Ephraim Tudor Goodwin was a soldier in the King's Liverpool Regiment. He died on 22nd February 1917 in Oswestry, Shropshire.

    He had married Jane Kerr Clarke on 14 Apr 1909, St Catherine, Tranmere, Cheshire

    In 1911 William and Jane are living in Knighton, Radnorshire.

    On the 'Roll-of-Honour' site it says he was the son on William and Ellen Goodwin and was born in Hereford.

    He was aged 36 when he died. This would give a birth year of around 1880-1

    I have searched for a birth but am unable to find one.

    I found who I think is the family

    1881 census.
    RG11, Piece number 2605, Folio 48, Page 12
    2, Newman Court, Leominster, Herefordshire.

    William Goodwin Head 44 Gardener
    Ellen Goodwin Wife 37 Jacket Maker (Tailor)
    Elizabeth Evans Daughter Single 20 Jacket Maker (Tailor)
    Ephraim Tudor Nephew 0 (born Titley, Herefordshire)

    1891 Census
    RG12, Piece number 2072, Folio 114, Page 11
    Broad Street, Leominster, Herefordshire

    Wm Goodwin Head 54 Agricultural Labourer
    Ellen Goodwin Wife 48
    Epbriam Tudor Adopted Son 10 (born Hereford)
    Fred Jones Adopted Son 4 Leominster

    Searching for Epbriam Tudor instead of William Epbriam Tudor Goodwin, I have found a birth

    EPHRAIM TUDOR - 1880 J Quarter in HEREFORD Volume 06A Page 552 (no mothers maiden name is given)

    Do you think this is him?
     
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    Oh, just to add, his marriage cert is on FMP. It gives his father as William Goodwin a Gardener. Same occupation for his adopted father on the 1881 census.
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    It looks good to me :)
     
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    I had been going around in circles for 2 days trying to find William Epbriam Tudor Goodwin :headbang:, when there was no such person :mad: It was Epbriam Tudor :eek:
     
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    You don't get that many Ephraims with the name Tudor attached, so I reckon that you have the right one. :)
     
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    I have spent money :oops: birth cert due next week. Flippin post is starting a strike next week.
     
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    Odd how the daughter is an Evans.

    On the 1871 census RG10/2711/27/13 Bishop's Froome Bromyard, Herefordshire
    William Goodwin b1836 Dilwyn Hereforshire
    MARTHA Goodwin wife b1842 Radnor Glastry
    Elizabeth Goodwin dau b1861 Leominster Herefordshire

    Martha and Elizabeth's pob are the same as 1881:confused:
     
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    There is a marriage for a william Goodwin to a Ellen Evans in Leominster, but it wasn't till 1886. I wonder if the Elizabeth Evans on the 1881 census (single) was Ellens daughter, and thet William and Ellen were living together as husband and wife but weren't married?

    Or am I clutching at straws?
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Sounds very likely :) I just had a similar situation in my tree
     
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    I have been trying to find the birth reg for Elizabeth. No Goodwin mmn Evans or Tudor (1860-62). Just the one in Hereforshire - Newent, mmn Wall
    Just 3 Evans in Leominster one with no mmn, Lewis and Lee being the other mmn's.
    None of this ties up. Why Martha in 1871:headbang:
     
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    I think I have found a burial for Ellen in our cemetery.

    AGNES wife of ANDREW AULD CLARK of Wallasey Died August 4th 1930 aged 79 years Also ELLEN GOODWIN of Leominster died July 22nd 1928 Aged 83

    An Andrew Auld Clark married an Agnes McCallum in Birkenhead, Cheshire in 1883

    I wonder if Jane Kerr Clark (W E T Goddwin's wife) was some relation. Maybe a daughter ?

    On the 1911 census Jane says she was born Greenock, Renfrewshire

    This is where Andrew says he is born on the 1911 census.

    So Jane had her mother-in-law (Ellen) buried with her Mother (or step mother)

    I say step mother because there is a previous marriage for Andrew on
    22 August 1870, Greenock Old Or West, Renfrew, Scotland to a Barbara Campbell.
     
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    Scrap that last bit, the Andrew Auld Clarke I was looking at on the 1911 census had a wife Lizzie Wheil
     
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    Maybe Elizabeth was the illegitimate daughter of Ellen Evans and that's why there was no mmn ?
     
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    William Goodwin died in Leominster (6a 325) June qtr 1905 age 65
    William, Ellen and adopted son Fred are in Leominster in 1901 RG13/2493/97/12
    William gives his pob as Dilwyn, the same as 1871.

    All of this has nothing to do with your WETG, but I am trying to find the Tudor link, if they got the relationship right and he was a nephew - roll on that bc:D
     
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    Now you know how I've been for the last 2 days :D
     
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    You have my sympathies:D

    For what it is worth William Goodwin had just one sibling, a sister Eliza. She married George Davies in 1862 in Leominster (6a 911 - June qtr), so no Tudor connection there either:mad:
     
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    Flook A True Gentleman. Rest in Peace.

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    You'll be all right Chimp; the postmen are working as normal both this and next week :)
     
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    There's a baptism of an Elizabeth Evans in Weobley in 1860, mother Ellen, no father given - and there is a William Goodwin b Dilwyn in Weobley in 1861 - a possibility?
     
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    I did a bit of ferreting Chimp and came up with............

    1851, Old Radnor and Burlingjobb, HO107; Piece: 2492; Folio: 193; Page: 8;
    Elizabeth Tudor 33, married, labourers wife, Breconshire
    Ellen Evans 8, dau, Gladestry, Radnorshire
    Peter Evans 3, son, Gladestry, Radnorshire

    There is this possible Marriage Dec 1850, Presteigne, 26 433
    Elizabeth Evans and Henry Tudor (one of three males lsted)

    Maybe Peter Evans in 1861, in the Union Workhouse, Old Radnor. RG 9; Piece: 4230; Folio: 8; Page: 10

    And possibly Ellen (listed as Eleanor, born Glastery) in 1861 with dau Elizabeth Evans age 10 months, living with James and Elizabeth Jones in Canon Pyon. RG 9; Piece: 1826; Folio: 87; Page: 12;
     
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    The Ellen/Eleanor mentioned above - 1861 census with James and Elizabeth Jones is in the Weobley reg district.
     

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