English family of Lyng

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    Well I did a little digging and now know where Bennett and Fitt come into things, just need to work out how the name Beckett gets into it
     
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    Can anyone find William Beckett English in 1861 please? B. 1836, Lyng
     
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    Possibly...Lyng Burials 1864

    William English, abode - LONDON, buried 23 April 1864, aged 27.


    Looking in London
     
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    The only possible one in London in 1861 is: 49 Russell Street, Rotherithe, Surrey.

    Wiiliam English, boarder, Unmarried, 24, Carpenter, Born Diss, Norfolk.
    RG9/390/73/19
     
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    The only one I could find is the one Flook has found - but Diss is a little way from Lyng and all this family seem to know they came from Lyng.
     
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    Hmmm :confused:

    I'm having the same problem
     
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    Even so, I like it. The name, his age, the county and the place of death are spot on.... "when you have eliminated the impossible, whatever remains, however improbable" etc etc.....:)
     
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    Well, I don't know Flook, I'm still a little uncomfortable with it :(

    I think I have his brother James in Kensington St Mary Abbott in 1861

    the place of birth is transcribed as Tong on FS, and Ling on Ancestry, that's pretty near enough Lyng (although he was actually born in Weston Longville)

    Unfortunately William isn't there, though this may be where he was before his death
     
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    I'm thinking this may be the William born in Stoke Ferry, he can be found in later censuses in other bits of London, e.g. Stoke Newington, and is a journeyman carpenter o_O

    Stoke Ferry is still 30 miles from Diss though
     
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    Can I ask for help please with James Mann English?

    Born 1827, Weston Longville
    1841 in Lyng
    1851 not found
    1856 married Sophia Tanner in Chelmsford
    1861 in Kensington St Mary Abbott. Head of household is Mary Walbancke, James and Sophia are enumerated as nephew and niece.
    1864 James dies

    from census and GRO births I have found the following children:
    Elizabeth Sarah b. 1858 Chelmsford
    James Newcomb(e) b. 1859 Brompton
    John Tanner b. 1861 Kensington, d. 1879 Islington
    Edward William b. 1863 Chelsea St Luke

    I can find Elizabeth in Lyng in 1871, I cannot find any of the others

    I thought Sophia may have remarried in Chelmsford, but that seems a dead end.

    I have found Elizabeth in all censuses except 1891. The rest have disappeared.
     
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    Ah, looks like I have a death for Edward William, registered as just Edward in Chelsea 1864
     
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    Need to find death of Frederick English

    I have him in 1861 newly married in Hockering. In 1881 I have his widow Pleasance, and two sons, the youngest Charles bc 1870.

    The only death seeming to fit is in 1872 in Camberwell, but can't tie that to a probate :confused:
     
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    How about -
    Norfolk Chronicle 20th July 1872
    On the 26th inst. in the 43rd year of his age, Mr Frederick English, late of Eade’s Mill, Great Witchingham.

    Doesn’t say where he died though.....
     
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    Oh what would I do without you :) xx

    thank you, that fits with the Camberwell death registered in the Jul-Sep quarter
     
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    :oops: {-(^^)-}

    ......I did try and find mention of his death in a London paper, but no luck, I’m afraid.
     
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    This has to be Frederick, in Ancestry's Lunacy Patients Admissions
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    The institution is just given as Camberwell.
     
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    So not only did children of Robert Dowe and James English marry ... so did grandchildren of theirs. I've only just been able to make the connection, tedious tidying up of duplicates done :)
     
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