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  1. Chimp

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    Ah a short form birth certificate, I had one like that at birth. When I applied for a passport I needed a long form certificate. I had to send off for one.
     
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    From the reg district given - Woolwich, the only birth reg that fits is
    Elsie Green Sept qtr 1907 1d 1201
    from the GRO index mmn Herrman
     
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    I think the one I have for my mum is a short form one - called a cerificate of Registry of Birth. Think I read somewhere that those were free and if the parents wanted a long form certificate, they had to pay.

    Ah, just found my dad's (from 1925) - a long form one and it has a One Penny stamp on it, which the Registrar's signature goes over.
     
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    I have 'short' certs for all three of my children (born 1980's) and they were free, the registrar filled out the long form in a book and you had to pay to get a copy of that.
    I only have a 'short' copy of my own birth cert.
     
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    I still cannot find Elsie Green on the 1911 census :headbang:

    there are 2 other births with the mmn Hermann (I missed an 'n' off in my post #122)

    Percy 1906 June qtr Woolwich 1d 1238
    Stanley 1909 March qtr Woolwich 1d 1186

    nor can I find a Herrmann/Green marriage

    I see on Elsie's m/c one of the witnesses is O[?] A Green
     
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    There is another child born in Woolwich in 1914
    Leslie Sept qtr 1d 2378 mmn Hermann
     
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    There is a Green family at 491 Woolwich Road, New Charlton, Kent in the 1911 census. Only initials for first names of some of them - and others, the transcriptions are a bit "iffy", although the Head, W J Green has actually signed the census with his full name - William John.

    I looked earlier and found a marriage in Bethnal Green of a William John Green and Mary Ann Hermann in the June quarter of 1889, but thought it may have been too early. Have since looked and found the certificate on Ancestry.

    The family in 1911 have 14 children - all living with them :eek: (they had 15 in total up to 1911, but one had sadly died). There is a nephew with the surname Herman living with them, so I am sure this is the couple who married in 1889.

    Unfortunately, this William John is a saddler, but I suppose he could have changed his occupation later. Also, none of the children appear to tie in with an Elsie, aged 4 - so am not entirely sure if this could be the correct family.

    Must go to bed - maybe someone else would like to check for births on the GRO site. Would like to sort out the name of the child that died, but have to work tomorrow. The couple that I found have various spellings of mother's maiden name i.e Herman/n.
     
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    Will get some more details later of my mum, she did say it was a big family of about 15
     
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    Ok mum doesn't know the names Mary Ann Hermann or William john green because she didn't know her grandparents on her mums side but it does sound like the correct family and she say there were definitely a Stanley, Percy and 99%sure on Leslie.
     
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    Mostly boys only 3 girls.
     
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    Oh Well Done @Jellylegs it is looking good

    From the GRO these are the children I have found

    1892 William John birth reg in Shoreditch
    1893 Charles Alfred - Woolwich
    1895 Alfred David - Woolwich
    1896 Florence - Woolwich
    1897 Frederick - Woolwich
    1899 Arthur - Woolwich (mmn Kermann)
    1900 Henry - Woolwich (mmn Kermann)
    1902 Lucy - Woolwich
    1903 Albert Edward - Woolwich
    1905 Herbert - Woolwich
    1906 Percy - Woolwich
    1907 Elsie - Woolwich
    1909 Stanley - Woolwich
    1910 Horace - Woolwich
    1914 Leslie - Woolwich

    So that accounts for the 14 live children on the 1911 census (where their ages are a bit awry) RG14 PN2848 SN243 - no sign of a birth reg for another child though.
    There is a 2 year old daughter Alcy - so is this Elsie? upload_2018-11-21_8-37-37.png year
     
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    Looking good this:D
     
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    I would say that Alcy is your Elsie. Although the age is rather out a bit. Perhaps Dad wasn’t sure how old she was.
    Lots can’t pronounce my mother’s name of AILSA and call her ELSA. Much to her annoyance.
     
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    I did wonder if that could possibly be D A (David Alfred rather than Alfred David - as many peeps swapped their names around) Green. I know it looks like an “O”, but it is not the original, so maybe the person that filled it in misread the first initial.
     
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    Here is Mary Ann Hermann and William John Green's m/c
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    Mary Ann Hermann was bap 23/4/1871 at St Botolph without Bishopsgate, City of London d/o Charles and Louisa Hermann
    1881 census RG11/371/33/61
    She is from a large family;)
    Mary Ann and William John Green 1891 census RG12/242/105/6
    In 1901 RG13/562/167/53 - Mary Ann is May, and the children's names and ages are all over the place again - 2 Arthurs, Florence is Freeda, and William is age 3 (should be 9 or 10):eek:
     
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    Here is Charles Herrman's marriage to Louisa Bond
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    So I have been looking through boxes and boxes in my mum's attic and have a few photos to share with you...sorry it's been a while,just been very busy.
    Anyhow this is my nanna Elsie Figaro.
     

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    And this is William Lionel Figaro.
     

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    William and Elsie wedding photo.
     

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