Francis Hayter - inbound to England 1890/1

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  1. David Tuson

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    Hello all, I hope your are keeping safe.
    One of the ancestors I am researching left New Zealand to travel to England for a serious operation from which he unfortunately died in May 1891.
    I am trying to find his "incoming passenger details" - can anyone help?
    Francis Hayter was born in 1844, lived in Canterbury New Zealand and served in the Royal Navy.
    I am simply looking for the date that he arrived in England and the name of the vessel.
    I do not have a subscription to Ancestry where most inbound records are kept.
    Many thanks
    David
     
  2. Sis

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    There's this one.

    Captain F Hayter R N
    Departed New Zealand
    Arrived 01/06/1891 London, England
    Ship's name is Aorangi
     
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    As the arrival date is after the death date, there are a couple of possibilities:
    This is the wrong chap
    or...
    it is the incorrect death date.

    There was a death registered in the June quarter of 1891 for a Francis HAYTER in Marylebone registration district (volume 1a, page 445) aged 47. Is that your chap?
     
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    Aha! Just found his probate entry, which states that he died on 13th May at the Middlesex Hospital.

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    I've double checked the date of arrival on the original and it's definately 1/06/1891. Sorry, got a bit over enthusiastic.:oops::rolleyes:
     
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    This one arrived with his wife and occupation is Runholder.
     
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    Wife's name not given.
     
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    I think you are right @Sis , maybe the date given was when the shipping line entered it into their books.
    There is this announcement in the Western Morning News dated Monday, 4th May 1891. The Aorangi arrived on Saturday 2nd May.

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    Its arrival -

    Plymouth - 2nd May

    Passed Gravesend - 3rd May for Albert Docks
     
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    And from the Brighton Gazette 21st May 1891
    On the 14th inst at the Middlesex Hospital, after a severe operation, Commander Francis Hayter R. N. of Rollesby, Burkes Pass., N. Z., aged 47.
    The same notice appeared in the Army and Navy Gazette of the 23rd May 1891, with the addition
    ....he retired in Oct.1873
     
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    You are definitely the "A" team. I've just read this and amazed it's all sorted within a couple of hours. I raise my hat you all. C|:-)
     
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    That is the chap. I have the newspaper notice of his death in May.
    Thanks for your help
     
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    Those were the ones that I had found as well.
     
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    Does the manifesto give the departure date from New Zealand?
    The date wouldn't have been written in the American fashion by any weird chance?
     
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    That was his occupation - I think I might have a look at outbound passenger lists to see if his wife went back to New Zealand.
     
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    The date isn't written in American fashion. No departure date given, but look at the link and it gives a lot of details about the ship, including mention of Francis Hayter.

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    R.M.S.S. AORANGI
    2655 tons
    cleared Lyttelton for RIO de JANEIRO and LONDON 19th March 1891
    Commander - J.A. Sutcliffe
    New Zealand Shipping Company, agents.

    Also on the same page.
    Timaru Herald Monday 1st June 1891
    A private cable has been received announcing the death of Captain Hayter, of Burke's Pass, who went home in the Aorangi, which arrived there about six weeks ago. It is supposed death was the result of an operation for stone in the kidney, from which Captain Hayter suffered, and which he went Home to have removed.
     
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    I think whoever listed this on Anc. has included the date of the newspaper report as the day the ship arrived in London as it also says that the ship 'arrived there about six weeks ago'. The newspaper report is dated 1st June 1891.
     
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    The date in my post #2 is from the actual manifesto.

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    I was clutching at straws with regards the date.
    The report in the Timaru Herald gives a much more realistic date of arrival - 6 weeks from 1 June puts the arrival in mid-April which makes sense given his death was in mid-May.
    Wonder how they got it so wrong.

    Anyway, many thanks for all your efforts. You and everyone else have addressed my query which I really appreciate.

    David

     
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    You're welcome. I think as Chimp said in post #8 that it could have been the date when the shipping line entered it into their books.
     
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