Frederick Charles Gale and Nelly Guthrie

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  1. Peregrine

    Peregrine Well-Known Member

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    Frederick married Nelly on 5 Oct 1896 at Southwark St Mary Magdalene. I can find them in the 1911 census at 72 Thames Street, Greenwich but I can't find them in the 1901 census. Frederick was a waterman/lighterman. They should be at or near Greenwich as a daughter Daisy Alice Gale was born Apr Jun Quarter 1901 in Greenwich and died Oct Dec Quarter 1901 in Greenwich. Can anyone find them in 1901 for me?

    In 1911 they were living at 72 Thames Street, Greenwich. In 1915, Frederick enlisted as Sapper - Waterman and Lighterman in Inland Water Transport Section of the Royal Engineers Railway Troops. At the time of enlistment their address was 2 Dutton Bldgs Dutton St, Greenwich
     
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    Sorry Peregrine, I've had no luck with finding this.
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Make that 2 of us :(
     
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    Thanks for looking Flook and MollyMay.
     
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    The closest I get find is Frederick A Gale age 27 c1874 wife Helen 22 and daughter Olive age 0. Address Askew Road Hammersmith.
     
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    Not so good here either:
    72 Thames St. has Edward & Alice Clifforth in residence for 1901
    RG13/536/19/page 29
    I did look forward & back several pages in case they'd been missed out, oh! didn't check all page numbers in case two were stuck together. Noticed
    Gale Beatrice Nellie b.' Old Kent' [1911 census] registered Camberwell 1d-942
    No sign of her either nor Ethel Maud both of whom should show up.

    Even the Electoral registers are not helpful.
     
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    I found Nelly and children in the Woolwich Road, Greenwich workhouse in 1921. Frederick is listed as her husband with acronym after his name of ANK - Address Not Known??

    Nelly Gale in Workhouse 1921.jpg

    Frederick is back with Nelly in the 1928 and 1933 Electoral Register at Blackheath Road, Greenwich. Their daughter, Violet Emily is with them in 1933. Wonder where Fred was after the war?
     

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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Yes I saw a couple of entries to the workhouse for Nellie.
    Perhaps Frederick was in some repat place recovering after the war.
     
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    I came up with zilch, too, using Ancestry, FindmyPast & Family Search. Nothing for daughters Beatrice or Ethel either. Perhaps the whole family were just missed off the 1901??

    Janet
     
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    That is what I was thinking as well, having come up with zilch, zippo, nada, nothing. :(
     
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    I am inclined to agree. :cool: Thanks for trying to find them everyone. :)
     
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    I've just looked on the index for Deceasedonline DOT com and they have the burial of Daisy Alice Gale in a Lewisham (south London) cemetery on 23 November 1901. This would be her. You could buy the minimum number of credits to view the burial register which would be cheaper than a full death certificate but it's still a gamble as it's a few months away from the census date (31st March) whereas the birth certificate could well be quite close to the census date.

    There's no guarantee that her home address would be on the burial record but it's more than likely that it is.
     
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    Brockley Cemetery in Lewisham. I have a few credits if you would like me to have a look.
     
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    Flook that is amazing, not so much that you found the burial of Daisy Alice but because you told me about the deceasedonline index, of which I knew nothing. I have already found my 2xgt grandfather, Frederick Gale's burial, where I previously only knew the quarter he died. Frederick was buried 29 Oct 1850 at Kensington and Chelsea <|:) Now if I could confirm his parent's death and burial I really would be jumping with joy! Thank you {-(^^)-}

    Jellylegs thank you for the offer, but I would feel guilty using up your credits for a third cousin. Is that somehow disparaging to third cousins?

    I think I might be busy over the next few days searching for burials: we will be in England in May for nearly 3 weeks, staying in Cornwall and Devon for a week each and 5 nights in London and the possibility of finding a few of our direct ancestors graves would get me trawling through a cemetery or two!!
     
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    Londoner Will always roll up her sleeves and dig around

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    May has to be the best time to come to Cornwall! The bluebells should be still around and the foxgloves and other hedgerow plants looking good. And by then the swallows will be back.
     
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    Have only just seen this and as I can access the records at deceasedonline, I can tell you that Daisy Alice Gale was described as the D. of Fredk. Gale, Lighterman, she was aged 8 months, and of 15 Armada St., St. Nic. She was buried on the 23rd Nov.in 'Uncon' ground.
     
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    Thank you very much.
     
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    The Gale family at 15 Armarda St St Nicholas, Deptford is enumerated as that of Edward and Mary RG13/0526/F?
     
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    It will be our third time in Cornwall and we are looking forward to it very much! We will be staying in a different area, near Looe, to our previous visits too.
    And then we will be heading for North Devon, staying near Braunton, whereas our previous visit to Devon was primarily to the South Hams area.
     
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    Yes, I've just found that as well - maybe relatives?
     

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