Frederick Penrose and Lucy Eustace- an elusive couple

How sure are you that Frederick's second name was Thomas ? There is this marriage

Source Gro Index Army Marriages (1881 To 1955)
Marriage year - 1890
Marriage place Pietermaritzburg, South Africa
Frederick Tapner Penrose
Lucy Eustace
Archive reference - ARM2
Page - 263
Line number - 57

Death
PENROSE, FREDERICK TAPNER
Age - 64
GRO Reference: 1929 M Quarter in YORK Volume 09D Page 51

His army records says he was married 9th July 1890

There are military records for Frederick Tapner Penrose on FMP

First name(s) - Frederick Tapner
Last name - Penrose
Service number - 5181
Rank - Sgt Instr Mustetry
Regiment - Dragoons Of The Line

Says born Lambeth, London, Surrey

Not sure of the date of the page on his army records but it gives the children and their ages. From the info you gave I would say about 1897

Kate - 7
Eustace - 6
Florence - 4 3/12
Jack - 3 3/12
Lucy - 2
Sydney - 1

 

Marriage

 

The only birth I can find with 'Tapner' in the first names is :-

Frederick Tapner Nethercutt
Birth year - 1863
Birth quarter - 2
Mother's maiden name ---------
District - Lambeth
Volume - 1D
Page - 385

 

I'm not sure why they keep swapping between 'Tapner' and 'Thomas' for his second name.

In 1911 they are at:-
26 Newborough St York, York, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding)
Piece number - 28414

1901 (I think this is Frederick as he broke his leg around that time)
York, Yorkshire & Yorkshire (East Riding), England

First name(s) - Frederick
Last name - Penrose
Relationship - Head Patient
Marital status - Married
Age - 37
Birth year - 1864
Birth town - Lambeth
Birth county - Surrey
Occupation - Sergt 1/dn Guards
RG13
Piece - 4448
Folio - 185
Page - 4

1891 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Preston, Steyning, Sussex, England

First name(s) - Frederick Thomas
Last name - Penrose
Relationship - Head
Marital status - Married
Age - 27
Birth year - 1864
Birth town - Lambeth
Birth county - Surrey
Occupation - Sergeant 6th Dragoons
Registration district - Steyning
RG12
Piece - 824
Folio - 107
Page - 4

 

On his army records it gives his fathers name as T Penrose, this is crossed out and his mothers name is added, but as Eliza Clark.

This is where it starts getting strange, from 1911 back to 1891 the name is PENROSE before that it is NETHERCOTT/NETHERCUTT

1881 England, Wales & Scotland Census
1, Avenue Road, Clapham, Wandsworth, London & Surrey, England
RG11 - Piece 631 - Folio 90 - Page 3

1871 England, Wales & Scotland Census
Heath Road, Clapham, Wandsworth, London & Surrey, England
RG10 - Piece 695 - Folio 97 - Page 33

Marriages Dec 1859
Thomas Nethercott married Eliza Amelia Godfrey
Newington - 1d - 240

On the 1891 census they (Frederick, Lucy and baby Kate) have a sister-in-law with them by the name Rose Nethercott aged 20 born Clapham.

On the 1871 and 1881 census Frederick has a sister born Clapham in 1871 by the name Rosa

 

But why did Frederick change his name prior to 1891?

On the 1891 census his parents are still using the name Nethercott

1891 Lavender Hill, Battersea, Wandsworth, London & Surrey, England
RG12 - Piece 428 - Folio 7 - Page 5

 

Marriage for Frederick's parents

 

That is more like it

 

Wonderful MM

 

On the 1911 census they say they've had 11 children, 8 living, 3 died. I think I have found them all.



Both Lucy and Sidney were born in Piershill Barracks, Jock's Lodge, a village in South Leith parish, Edinburgh, while Frederick was stationed there. They rented a house at £6 1s. 8d. per annum.

 

Their son Horace born 1893 was killed in WW1

https://www.cwgc.org/find-records/find-war-dead/casualty-details/442823/HORACE PENROSE/

 

Frederick's father, Thomas, is still using the name Nethercott/ Nethercote in the 1911 census. He is a widowed patient in the Wandsworth Union Infirmary, St. John's Hill. S.W. His wife Eliza Amelia died in 1902. Her death is registered under the name Nethercote. Thomas dies in 1913 also using the name Nethercote.

Still haven't gotten to the bottom of the name change.

 

Eliza Amelia Nethercott
Age - 65
Abode - 105, Bessingham Road
Death - 24th July 1902
Burial - 28th July 1902
Location - Wandsworth Cemetery
Class - 3rd
Plot - 3054 unconsecrated.

Eliza Amelia Nethercote
Event Type - Probate
Event Date - 15 Aug 1902
Event Place - Surrey, England, United Kingdom
Death Date - 24 Jul 1902
Beneficiary's Name - Thomas Nethercote, Commercial Traveller.
Effects - £117 19s. 7d.

Thomas Nethercote
Age - 76
Abode - 1, Dempster Road, Wandsworth
Died - St John's Hill Infermary
Burial 20th January 1913
Location - Wansworth Cemetery
Plot - 18B/17 Consecrated.