Discussion in 'Illegitimacy' started by sandra ness, Apr 4, 2018.
You’ve been very helpful. Thankyou. Would appreciate any more info you might discover.
I can find an Elizabeth L Clarkson on the 1911 census in West Ham born 1891 in Bromley, parents William G (FMP transcription - looks like J on the original) b1867 a Stevedor and Louisa b1868 Bulven Fen(?) Essex - RG14 PN9488 SN127 - with siblings Charles b1895, Ethel 1896 and Ernest 1898.
They say married 21 years 5 children born 4 living
Without the marriage cert (it is not on Ancestry) it is only a probable.
William James Clarkson married Louisa Riley Dec. qtr 1899 Poplar 1c 1144
Elizabeth Louise Clarkson birth reg Dec qtr 1890 Poplar 1c 534 mmn Riley
MollyMay found the brothers and sisters of Lilian Gertrude in post #7 and a possible marriage for their parents in post #18.
The only way to be sure would be to get a copy of Lilian's marriage certificate and find out who it says her father was. Then if her father is Thomas L Bell it would be a good idea to get a copy of his marriage to Elizabeth Clarkson.
There is a Thomas Leslie Bell born in 1888 in Poplar. His mothers maiden name was Cartlidge (sic)
Marriages Jun 1882
John Henry BELL and on the same page is Rosetta CARTLEDGE
Poplar - 1c - 1130
The family can be found on the following censuses
RG12, Piece number 330, Folio 67, Page 14
Pekin Street, Poplar, London
John H Bell, Head, 1862, London, Middlesex, Bricklayer
Rosetta Bell, Wife, 1861, London, Middlesex
Gertrude Bell, Daughter, 1884, London, Middlesex, Scholar
Edith Bell, Daughter, 1885, London, Middlesex, Scholar
Leslie T Bell, Son, 1889, London, Middlesex
Rosetta V Bell, Daughter, 1886, London, Middlesex
(Notice on the above census Thomas Leslie is going by the name Leslie)
RG13, Piece number 353, Folio 37, Page 19
9, Pekin Street, Poplar, London
John Henry Bell, Head, 1862, Ollerton, Nottinghamshire, Bricklayer
Rosetta Bell Wife, 1861, Poplar, Middlesex
Thomas Leslie Bell, Son, 1891, Poplar, Middlesex
Walter Cyril Bell, Son, 1896, Poplar, Middlesex
Hildia May Bell, Daughter, 1900, Poplar, Middlesex
9 Pekin Street, Poplar, London
John Henry Bell, Head, 1862, Notts, Bricklayer
Rosetta Bell Wife, 1861, Poplar, London
Thomas Leslie Bell, Son, 1888, Poplar, London, Iron Founder Labourer
Walter Cyril Bell, Son, 1896, Poplar, London, None
Hilda May Bell, Daughter, 1900, Poplar, London, At School
There is a death for a Thomas L Bell in West Ham in 1955 aged 67. This would give a birth year of 1888.
On Ancestry someone has a Thomas Leslie Bell born 6th May 1888 to parents John Henry Bell and Rosetta Cartledge.
It says he married Elizabeth Louise Clarkson on 7 Sep 1913, in St. Lukes Church, Victoria docks, West Ham.
It says they had a son Walter T Bell in 1921.
Marriage of John Henry Bell and Rosetta Cartledge 20th May 1882 in Poplar
John Henry Bell died in 1927 in the Poplar registration district aged 64
Rosetta Bell died in 1932 in the Poplar registration district aged 71
On the censuses John Henry Bell says he was born c1862 in Ollerton, Nottinghamshire. On his marriage he says his father was Thomas Bell a bricklayer.
There is this baptism:-
John Henry BELL
Baptism: 19th October 1862, St Giles, Ollerton, Nottinghamshire
Father: Thomas BELL
Person abode: Ollerton
Father occupation, Bricklayer
Register entry number 413
On the 1871 census it says John H was born 1863 it's always +/- a year.
His parents are Thomas and Mary.
On this census he has a brother Walter born 1862.
Walter was registered in Southwell registration district in Jun quarter 1861. His mothers maiden name was STEADMAN. Southwell covers the parish of Ollerton.
The first child, George, was born c1858 according to the census. He was actually registered in December 1857.
There is a marriage for a Thomas BELL to a Mary STEADMAN
Marriages Mar 1857
Thomas Bell to Mary Steadman
Southwell - 7b - 333
1891 census for the Clarksons RG12/328/82/54
Levan Road, Bromley, Poplar
William Clarkson b1867 Stepney - stevedore
Louisa - wife b1868 Dagenham Essex
Elizabeth - daughter b1891 Bromley
1901 Census RG13/346/136/52
132 Leven Road, Bromely, Poplar
William J Clarkson b1867 Stepney - stevedore
Louisa - wife - 1869 Essex
Elizabeth - daughter b1891 Poplar
Charles - son b1895 Canning Town
Ethel - daughter b 1896 Poplar
Ernest - son b1896 Poplar
Charlotte Jaggard - visitor b1883 Poplar - waitress
1881 census for the William J Clarkson
RG11/501/39/5 - 5 Wellington Street, Bromley Poplar
Joseph C Clarkson b 1841 St George's Middlesex - labourer
Eleanor - wife - b1845 Limehouse
William J - son b1867 Stepney
Eleanor A - dau b1869 Poplar
Susannah - dau b1873 Poplar
Elizabeth A - dau b1876 Bromley
Ernest A - son b1879 Bromley
Lydia Woodhouse - widow - lodger b1829 Limehouse - shirtmaker
From the GRO index birth of William Joseph* Clarkson December qtr 1866
Stepney 1c 498 mmn Somerscales
* when he marries his second name is entered as James
This is the marriage cert for Joseph Colling Clarkson and Eleanor Summerscales
Sandra - there is now an awful lot of information for you to go through and digest - when you are ready, let us know and we can go further back with the families, if you so wish
Wow Molly I am really impressed where you’ve found so much information. I don’t seem to be able to find anything. I’m very new at this. I will go through. I have seen Clarkson before. I’ll get back. Thankyou again star.
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