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  1. ColinA

    ColinA Well-Known Member

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    Just had a message on Ancestry from a lady who has a mutual relative in her tree, born 1816. She was able to give me a full date of birth as 26 August 1816 and said these appear on the USA census. I didn't know that - can anyone confirm please?
     
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    GrannyBarb Custodian of the Family Accounts

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    Okay, the first US Federal Census was in 1790 and only listed head of household and total number of persons in household. From 1800-1840, there was the head of household and number of persons in household by category of gender and age ranges (that changed every census), and whether free or slave, plus whether working in agriculture, I think.

    1850 was the first US Federal Census that listed each person by name (except slaves), but only had an age category, not a birth date or year. It was pretty much the same for later census. If a child was less than a year old, it was designated as x/12 to show months. The only exception to this was the census for 1900 (I think - but might have been 1910) that had the birth month and year for each person.

    Having said all that. The different states also had their own census reports, usually in years ending in "5," and each state that did this had different information. It's possible that the person in question appeared in a state census, or other such record that gave an exact birthdate. Or maybe your contact "mis-spoke" and meant a different document than a census.

    I'm happy to do a little snooping for you, if that would help verify the date.
     
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    Thank you. I will keep it in mind. This relative was extremely remote. I contacted the lady because the online gravestone gave DoB as 1818 but she said her relatives had just made a mistake!
     
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    GrannyBarb Custodian of the Family Accounts

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    Okay. We both know that errors happen, even on "official" records. Is the photo of the grave very clear? 1818 and 1816 would look similar, depending on circumstances.
     
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    It's Find a Grave Memorial ID 11370861
     
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    Hmmm that ID brings up

    Nonie Glass Mitchell
    BIRTH 1874
    DEATH 1956 (aged 81–82)
    BURIAL
    Neriah Cemetery
    Coweta County, Georgia, USA
    MEMORIAL ID 11370861

    Is that right?
     
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    Um, this memorial doesn't really match the discussion. Can you confirm that ID?
     
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    Oops add a 7 = 113708617 Eliza [Hall] Setchfield :oops:
     
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    The death record posted on the memorial page says birth year is 1817. :confused:
    That splits the difference, at least!
    I'll see what I can find on this side of the pond.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Was she born Eliza Hall and married William Setchfield?
    Could they perhaps be on England census before emigrating?
     
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    1900 Federal Census Howell, Livingston County, Michigan
    District 0073, Dwelling 491, Household 515 (Ancestry page 37 of 50 in District):

    John Setchfield, Head, White, Male, born Mar 1856, age 44, single, born in Michigan, both parents born England, cigar maker, can read and write, he owns the house.

    Eliza Setchfield, Mother, White, Female, born Aug 1816, age 83, widowed, bore 7 children, 4 of whom are living, born in England, both parents b England, can read, cannot write. The immigration and citizenship columns are blank.

    The household directly above has Eliza Pate, born Jan 1847, widowed, had 6 children, all living, born in England, both parents b. England with 3 children in household: Bert, Claude and Jennie - all b. Mich. Are they related?

    Off to see what else I can find.
     
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    LOL. 1880 Census is the next one available going back. Eliza is listed in the same location with son, John, next door to Mrs Pate (whose children list both parents b. England, but Mr Pate's nativity and parents are all New York!) Anyway, Eliza Setchfield's birth year looks like it was 64, then written over so it looks like 62! It's indexed as 62. Reckon she's trying to be younger???

    ETA: William is not on this page. I will look for him in a bit.
     
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    1870 Census, Eliza Setchfield is in the same location, age 52, with sons George, age 18 b. England, and John age 14 b. Michigan. Still no sign of husband, William. He must come home sometime or other, because they keep having children... ;)
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Found one for Eliza Hall christened 20 Aug 1817 Guilden Morden Cambridge but no 1816
    Marriage of Eliza Hall to possibly William Setchfield Sept Qtr 1841 Whittlesey
    @GrannyBarb I think Eliza Pate is her daughter
    OOPs have no idea why that answer came out like that...:oops:
     
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    1860 Census, also same location has William, age 41, day laborer; Eliza, age 38 (really?) and 6 children, ages 15 down to 2.

    Will have a look for the immigration record for William, Eliza and older kids.

    ETA: 1860 Census, next household is headed by Adam T Hall, 23, from England.
     
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    :rolleyes:
     
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    William born 1816 but sometimes as 1814 died in 1880 according to his memorial. William Valentine Setchfield father William mother Anna Loomes.
    Eliza Hall Setchfield memorial has her birth as 26 Aug 1818. Children, William, Ann, Eliza, James, George, John, Mary
     
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    Quite clearly 1818-1906
     
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    I'm going to be contrarian for a moment. So far I can't fine William V after 1860, and wonder if the stone actually says 1860 and not 1880. Whutcha think?
     
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    I saw that earlier and thought it looked like 1860 so YES 1860;)
    Also, no more children after 1857, Mary Ann being the last
     
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