Handwriting translation needed, please

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    Some help please :rolleyes: LNDRG13_212_occupations.jpg

    I am struggling to decipher this lady's occupation (the one aged 41, born City, London), I've snipped a larger piece so that you have some idea of the handwriting

    oh, and while you are being clever, the place of birth of the 79 year old:oops:
     
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    I think it says Stationery Black Corderer. Now, with my over active imagination, I am wondering if Corderer, should really be corder and that the lady concerned had something to do with making black cords for such things as albums.......probably totally off the mark, but my best shot :rolleyes:

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    Thanks Ann:)

    I kind of knew that that letter was a 'C' but I couldn't stop reading it as "Stationery Black Londoner":oops:

    Whether I go with my attempt or yours (and I think yours is right) I have no idea what either term means as regards employment ...o_O
     
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    I suppose if I am right (but I do love your idea :rolleyes:) she sat twiddling bits of black cord into bigger bits of black cord........for stationery.

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    Not sure of the first word (America? but the beginning of the word looks wrong) but the second and third are Parents Irish.
     
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    Well, I got "Andrica" -- which so far as I know is not a place -- but I agree with you on the bracketed part:)
     
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    Ta-Dah! :D

    BLACK BORDERER - made black edged stationery for funerals

    Fits nicely with the stationery.

    Edited: Drat it should be Corderer and not Borderer.... :(
     
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    Clever clogs:D

    Thank you:)

    edit: I think it's possible that what could be a "L" or "C" is actually a "b"
     
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    I have prepared another snip from the same page, showing several "C"s and one "b" (I tried to find a lower case b at the start of a word but could only find one in the middle of 'Cabinet')

    But I am not sure if this proves we are looking for a borderer rather than a corderer

    C vs. b.jpg
     
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    A thought: this person is aged 41 and may have been doing this job for a number of years. How about looking for her in the previous census to see if there are any clues there. The same applies to the 79-year old.
     
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    :confused: -- I was hoping to transcribe this one first and then do that -- but of course, doing that now might help me transcribe this one -- :confused:

    I'd get onto it but Ancestry just stopped working!!
    41 yr old is Cecilia BISHOP single
    79 yr old is Catherine M CLANCY single
     
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    Erm... in which year was the one taken in the first post, please?

    Edited to add: No worries, I've found it: 1901
    RG13, piece 212, folio 55, page 1
     
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    :oops: oh god, it's one of my ditsy days

    1901
     
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    Yay! I have found Cecilia in 1891: RG12, piece 394, folio 92, page 26 and her occupation is Black Borderer, Stationery. :D
     
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    Thank you Jan :)
     
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    Double Yay! I have found Catherine M Clancy in 1891: RG12 piece 1337 folio 83 page 22 - and it does say America! :D
     
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    Just looked at the original and, when the checker/enumerator was making various marks, he has written Can against it - Canada? Anyway, what I was wondering is if, in 1901, the enumerator started writing Canada and then over-wrote it to say America. It could account for the mess at the beginning of the word.
     
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    Double thank you :):)

    .... oh and what would you know, Ancestry just decided to start working again:confused:
     
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    Not such a daft bat are you ;) I was so fixated on the word beginning with a 'c' that I never gave a thought as to it being a 'b'.

    When I first saw 'black borderer' I thought it was the name of a Scottish clan.......:oops:

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    I really need help with the name of this French gentleman (on the following page from my first query) -- 3rd name in the sample
    It has been transcribed as Herdis de la Serra -- but I'm not convinced, although I do not have a more believable alternative so far ... :confused:

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