Handwriting translation needed, please

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  1. Daft Bat

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    Lewis de la Sera?
     
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    Findem The Fearless One

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    I'm not too sure that the first letter of the first name could be L it doesn't look like his other Ls, so I'm wondering if it's H.

    I agree with Jan that the last name begins with S but I'm wondering if it could be Sena.

    I should mention that I've never considered my self as being competent deciphering handwriting.
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Thanks Jan and Findem:)

    I've been working on the theory of H_ (de) la S_, also H_ (de) la L_
    I've considered Hen_, Herm_, Hero_
    I've tried Serra, Sena, Sera, Lerra, Lena, Lera

    --- if only he was someone really famous ... Google doesn't really help if you have no idea what the name is, but I have tried all sorts of combinations

    All I can tell you is that he was French (unfortunately, where in France he was born I have no idea), b c1837, a writer (what kind of books/articles, I have no idea), he was Catholic

    I tried looking for deaths in Hackney between 1901 and 1911, but there are a lot ... and not really having an idea of the name (either first or last) ... and he could have decided to return to France, or move elsewhere in the UK/world:confused:

    I tried looking for him in other censuses ... but ditto the above

    Think I am stuck :(
     
  4. MollyMay

    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Henri M la Serra can be found in Kensington on the 1891 census
    RG12/20/65/2 - professor of Languages

    Henry la Serra can be found on the 1861 census in Birmingham
    RG09/2133/10/13 - professor of French Language

    On both just France as pob.

    Anc. also has these (I do not have a world sub to see more)
    Henri Serra - Paris & Vacinity Electoral Rolls 1891
    M Henri Serra - Paris and Vacinity Births 1700-1899
    M Henri Serra - New York Passenger Lists 1820 - 1957
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Genius :)8(:-)
    :D


    (that was one of my options, obviously didn't try hard enough :()
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Not at all - it is those Anc hints again :)

    (having dreaded the loss of 'old search' - I must admit to being able to find more now by just putting the name into 'search all records' and then use the filters - long may it continue;))
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    I have just tried FS for a birth (Paris) and got the following

    Name: Henri Serre
    Event Type: Baptism
    Event Date: 17 Jun 1837
    Event Place: France
    Residence Place:
    Gender: Male
    Father's Name: Etienne Serre
    Mother's Name: Laurence Briard

    Oh and I tried Mr Google and got hits for Henry Mancini (well it made me smile!!:D)
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Thank you :)
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Think I may have his death.

    Henri la Serre age 73 Sep 1909 St Giles
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    This might be him too:

    http://
    books.google.co.uk/books?id=q6yhgA-nHAMC&pg=PA96&lpg=PA96&dq=henri la serre French professor&source=bl&ots=PaslRSwd4z&sig=zJbZU-eer8njf40PIUPC0ulz5gc&hl=en&sa=X&ei=56k2U56HBOiu7AamvYDgAw&ved=0CDgQ6AEwAg#v=onepage&q=henri la serre French professor&f=false

    That link is a bit long, found on Google books one reference to Henri la Serre part-time French teacher and his bafflement at English public school customs ... in "A Catholic Eton? Newman's Oratory School" by Paul Shrimpton

    (Link unclicked as the book is for sale. Jan)

    [edit: fair enough Jan, I didn't consider thato_O ... I was just coming back to say that there are references to him John Henry Newman's Letters and Diaries too:) -- yet another reason to add JHN to my reading list]
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    while I am struggling to locate my Institution of interest in 1891, I have discovered a lovely map drawn by the enumerator, which explains so much better than words the area he is covering -- if only they all did it
    (I often have great trouble understanding the enumeration areas, especially in areas I don't know -- as is the case here, though I am constantly learning -- I shall just have to keep at it)

    well, it's not what I was looking for but if you want to see it you need to go to Hackney (borough); Hackney (civil parish); Enumeration district 10

    or it's the page before RG12/193/71/1
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    According to the 1891 street index in the Historical Streets Project it should be at
    RG 12/196, folios 110-111.
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Thank you Huncamunca:)

    unfortunately your link went to "This does not exist" but I found a way around it [the National Archives webarchive here -- but you can't search in the search box or you will be on "This does not exist" again -- for a while I felt like I was existing in one of those circles of hell which will never let you complete a task] - so now I should be able to find what I want in the other censuses too -- I had meant to ask if something like this existed
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Thanks Flook

    I shall have to spend some time with that site :)

    At least I now know I had the wrong parish -- thought it was St John or St James, turns out to be Christ Church :rolleyes:
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    Sorry mugwortismycat, that's the page I thought I'd linked to! Well done for finding it despite my misdirection.
     
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    Could it be "Henri de la Serra"?
    Or a variation of "Herve"?

    Okay, I give up. What is it?

    Jane
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Thank you Jane:p you made me smile

    I have no idea what the enumerator intended to write, but I am fairly sure we have identified the man, Henri la Serre. Hopefully if I manage to read John Henry Newman's Letters and Diaries, I will be able to confirm that:)
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    I'm ridiculously tired so apologies if this is a sloppy message -- i think some of you know the place I am looking at and will be able to find it

    I'm in 1881 now; I am trying to decipher Emma's name

    LNDRG11_301_Emma Scrivener.jpg

    I am fairly certain that the second bracketed part (the bit in the same line as Fanny Kirkby) is SCRIVENER rather than whatever Ancestry have, the other bit isn't Casanova -- though that would make me happy -- Ancestry have Casasnajor and I don't blame them o_O

    she is from Lyme Regis, Dorset if anyone can find her, I couldn't immediately identify a death either :confused:

    I'm going to sleep now, I'll probably be able to do this in the morning :)
     
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    Well at least I got the H bit right. :D
     
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