Help In Reading

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  1. Helen

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    I have a copy of a Bishops Transcripts that the archive office did for me and it is so unclear that I am struggling to read it I have a name that I think is the females surname but on everybody else's family tree they have something different
    I wont say which name I think it is but it is the 2nd line down Joseph Chafer and Elizabeth ?
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Helen, I think we will need a bigger image :(
     
  3. Helen

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    Can I link to my ancestry page I lost loads of stuff from my pc when the hard drive crashed and not sure where the original is now?
     
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    Doug Administrator. The Main Man. Staff Member

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    Fraid not - Ancestry is a commercial site so direct links are not allowed. Sorry.

    Can you zoom in on the image you have saved on Ancestry then copy it or alternatively save the image to your computer from Ancestry then enlarge?
     
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    Think that worked if not I will hunt it out tomorrow me files are somewhere
     
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    Doug Administrator. The Main Man. Staff Member

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    It did work but it will need a better person than me to make it out. :)
     
  8. Helen

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    Doug
    thank you for trying anyway
    I really must get off and do some work now but I will be back C|:-)
     
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    I'm not a handwriting expert, and it is difficult to read. I keep oscillating between Sculls, Smith and Savill(e). I think I am no use to you:(
     
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    I think it ends in 'wel': the scribe does quite a big lead up to his 'w' (compare with 'was' further down), which makes it look as if there is a gap before it.

    The first letter could be an 'h' but I'm not sure. After that it could be 'alls' but again not sure.

    Putting them all together my best guess is (H?)allswel.

    Has the corresponding parish register survived, or is the BT your only hope?
     
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    Mutters I am not bossy, I just have better ideas.

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    Help in Reading - Helen.JPG
    (Click to enlarge) I don't think I have done a better job with the picture. I keep thinking it may be Coff? but was the 'ff' a 'ss' back then?

    [Edit] Just goes to show how useless I am trying to make the 'beth' of Elizabeth into Coff. I think I'll go and lie down now. :(
     
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    Ooh, I think your version is clearer, Mutters. :) Now I wonder if it is an 'S' at the beginning not an 'H'.
     
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    The church records are even worse then this I was only able to view the Bishops transcripts as even the archivists couldn't read them

    Everybody else has it as HALLIWELL but I really didn't see that being right no matter how much I try I thought SMITH
     
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    If the marriage took place 28 Jun 1677 Whitton Lincolnshire, family search have her name as Elizabeth Hallewel [sic]
     
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    I think what looks like a separate word at the end of the line, what I have transcribed as 'wel', is part of the surname. There seems to be a big gap before it, but I think that's just a side-effect of the way the scribe writes a 'w'.

    I tried to make it Halliwel but can't see an 'i' there.

    P.S. just seen yours, Mealymoo: oh, yes, it could be a badly written 'e' after the ll, so Hallewel seems like a contender.
     
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    I think there's too many letters for it be Smith.
     
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    Helen

    I found myself dwelling on this on the tube this morning --- couldn't get a seat else I'd have been reading ---

    1) you have mostly seen this transcribed as Halliwell
    2) Huncamunca thinks Halls_wel (the _ representing the gap before the w )
    3) I and you both though Smith

    I can't see that initial letter as H, nor could I see an obvious word with H or h in the rest of the image, but it does look rather like the b elsewhere on the page, so I think it could be a H written as h

    it still looks more like an S to me though

    If 3) is correct I cannot imagine what that extra little bit is ... at first I thought it said "and" but i admit that makes absolutely no sense. Then I wondered if it isn't "Wid" as an abbreviation of widow?

    however, despite everything i've said above, I wouldn't rule out the Hallswel/Halliwell transcriptions -- it is a very difficult image to read. I suppose if there were several pages of it one might get a feel for the writing and that name would become obvious

    I'm not sure I've added anything to the discussion, just had to get that off my mind. In the end it's your call ...

    Christel
     
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    Well I did think that, but having seen Mealymoo's post #14 I am now more inclined to think it is Hallewel.

    P.S. if the Whitton parish registers are among the Lincolnshire registers added to FMP it might be interesting to get a second opinion from there. But remember that we aren't allowed to post images from FMP (indeed I think we would be breaking their Terms & Conditions if we divulged any information that one would have to pay to see).
     
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    Quite right, sorry Mealymoo to have left you out :( -- just an oversight, honest;)
     
  20. Ma-dotcom

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    Scullis , came over to me at first with another word, but the longer I look the more the word looks like baptised or similar. I shall wait until properly awake.
     

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